Do you have an example of a truly socialistic society where the people own the means of production.
Do you honestly think that the internet would be what it is today without private enterprise?
How nice. People work a life time and save for their retirement and you want to take it away from them. In a true socialist country you would take it away from everyone making everyone equal. Exactly what would be the incentive to excel and make more of everyone makes the same?
And of course as always you play the race card.
p.s. You may be left with nothing as you apparently are unable to move ahead in life.
Communism as we know it is state capitalism.
No wonder the Rockefellers (dubbed the First Family of the USSR) were the boss in the old Soviet Union. The Soviet Union performed whatever it was dictated to them by the Rockefellers.
Itâs a matter of record that they financed the Russian Revolution.
Where was Lenin when the Revolution occurred?
Where was Trotsky? He was in New Jersey and sent back to Russia with a lot of money
Do you have an example of a truly socialistic society where the people own the means of production. Jimsouth - probably in some monasteries, etc. Other than that, it really doesnât work; and the reason it works in monasteries is, all involved are agreeable & never forced into that lifestyle. Iâve known many monks; and from what I gathered, they all seemed content. I do love the Trappist lifestyle. Trappist beer - Wikipedia
To be honest, Trappist products are more of a socialist - capitalist enterprise; but the order is also into serious charity work. https://youtu.be/X784gpj8Xog?t=2
Thatâs basically true, communism operates under overt authoritarian government. Eliminates private property and cash.
Btw, in Sanders flavor, democratic socialism, he supports private business/production, private property and expansion of what has ALREADY evolved in America.
And unless everyone involved with socialism, doesnât share equally, down to the last cent; it ainât socialism. Just more hypocrisy. You cannot tell me socialist leaders live as simply as the fools they drag into the mix.
Well thatâs the point of Sanders view. Itâs not straight up socialism. Iâm satisfied you havenât read his platform, itâs lengthy, and interviews where he has discussed it. It canât be understood with cherry picked sound bites on Hannity and Carlson.
By supporting private means of production, the ownership of property, you leave the same room for incentive that has existed all along. In his vision, people who work harder, are innovative, and entrepreneurial still can have more as a result, itâs just a system where we continue to improve the lot of everyone, where everyone has basic needs met. Health, welfare and education.
That said, I personally would have some space between myself and Sanders in the realm of welfare reform. I supported Clintonâs personal responsibility act regarding welfare reform and I support the most recent welfare reform announced by the Trump administration. I would go even farther than either of them though. I would heartily support bringing back the WPA and CCC which provided needed aid to families, allowed families to retain dignity, and provided advancements to US infrastructure that were wonderful, as an outdoor enthusiast, I use them regularly still.
Oh, I donât doubt Sanders does have visions. Myself, I worked for all I have. I earned all I have. Iâm content with that. I never took a nickel from anyone. So who has the right to control my life; or to even suggest I live by their ideology? I do believe ( if someone is capable ), no worky, no eaty.
Well thatâs the point of Sanders view. Itâs not straight up socialism.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jimsouth - Well, this covers it. Benjy Benjamin:
Now look! Weâve figured it seventeen different ways, and each time we figured it, it was no good, because no matter how we figured it, somebody donât like the way we figured it! So now, thereâs only one way to figure it. And that is, every man, including the old bag, for himself!
Good, let Sanders or anyone else fuck with the masses; as long as Iâm allowed to live by what has always seemed to work for me. I earned it; itâs mine. Easy. I owe no one.
Believe me, being of sound mind, I have gone to extremes to reduce my tax burden considerably. I know, you cannot avoid Death or Taxes; but at least Death doesnât get worse. I am a superb pipe fitter - plumber; and itâs amazing how people are willing to pay ( DRUM ROLL ) âcashâ for superior work. Especially if they get a big break on the price. All I ask for ( up front ) is they allow me to pace myself. Now who wouldnât give an extra week or two if they can cut the cost of a $20,000 whole house plumbing job, by 50 or 60 percent? I paid my dues in life, and I paid enough taxes. Let someone else pick up the slack. Itâs fun to piss away money that you have paid no income tax on.
When I was young & roaming the country, I worked in Reno for about a year. I knew a some high class hookers; and most had involvements with politicians. Hey senator, do what you will, just not on my dime.
