Why is everyone misquoting Pelosi?

[Call_me_Ishmael]

Not a lib? Oh… show me how many threads you have agreed with the members here who stand against the Democrats or their European counterparts.

It’s not like we haven’t heard “oh, I have been conservative forever.” before. And upon investigation we find that the things they point to as evidence that they are conservative are almost never talked about or debated. Or they support NWO at the expense of America.

[montecresto1]

I think I’ve only participated in this thread. But nevertheless I would never agree with the libs that blame everything on the cons, nor would I ever agree with the cons that blame everything on the libs.

[max-webster]

I see that you’re learning impaired.

here are the facts when Bush 41 and Reagan were vying for the Republican nomination, they both made references to allowing illegals to work IF THEY PAID TAXES, but Reagan went a little further and wanted to punish American business owners who hired illegals and paid them shit wages.

His focus prior to 1983 wasn’t Mexican illegals , he was more focused on the Communist infiltration

After 1983 when cocaine was ravishing American communities and they figured out it was coming in through Mexico that he wanted to secure the borders… NOT BY A WALL but a fence and to beef up border security

Reagan amnesty was because of two deals he made with blue dog democrats , including going over Tip O’neill’s head

The first one was on taxes and government spending , Tip lost and he repaid the favor and screwed Reagan on Amnesty

[montecresto1]

@max-webster

I see that you’re learning impaired.

Is that how you explain things to your wife?? Learn civility in debate or go talk to somebody else.

[max-webster]

I have been civil with you even with people who lie on these threads or have no clue what they talking about .
start presenting facts and you will be treated like debater, if you want to spread propaganda don’t expect to be respected

[Call_me_Ishmael]

I’ve noticed that you mostly post what this or that notable Republican or Democrat said or believes.

Question for YOU. Do you want a physical barrier on the border?

[montecresto1]

@Call_me_Ishmael

Question for YOU. Do you want a physical barrier on the border?

That is the absolute least of my concerns with regard to US policy.

[montecresto1]

Look Mr. Webster, I presented you with facts, and you don’t like them. Not my problem. But if you’re going to talk to me you’ll not insult me or you’ll be ignored…

[montecresto1]

Like President Ford said, an impeachable offense is whatever the two houses of Congress say it is. If the votes are there to impeach, then the president gets impeach. It’s a political process, not necessarily a legal process.

[Dave]

I believe democrats approved a budget to increase the number of those judges

[wiley8425]

Why would they need more judges if they weren’t planning on detaining more than 16.5k illegals a day?

Democrats dropped their proposal to limit the number of detained immigrants caught inside the U.S. to a daily average of 16,500. Republicans opposed that demand. There is currently no such limit.

I’m sure you’ll believe anything though, bless your heart.

[Dave]

@LouMan

Where’s the funding required to get people in front of a judge in less that 7 years? Where’s the funding to stop people from crossing the border forcing arrest and release into the country as w lack facilities to house them for 7 years? Where’s the funding from the House to uphold immigration law?

Where’s the laws to prevent false claims of asylum from the house.

Funding has been proposed. Noone has said border security and its funding in not an issue. Its your president that refuses to do anything without funding for his precious, or should I say polotically strategic, wall.

[Dave]

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@max-webster

Bullshit, the truth is the Democrats sees Illegal immigration as a political problem with no political solution, The Republicans are split on Illegal immigration, the Repubs that dont have any latinos in their district want border security the Repubs that have Latinos in their district that votes and has major donors from the latino community don’t want the Wall.

Trump who actually gives a shit about his country wants the wall.

Speak english please, so we can understand the point you’re trying to make.

[TWR]

That “they” is way too over broad.

Ryan was apparently coopted by the open borders crowd, but the conservatives and Trump were doing all they could to get it done.

Remember in the House the speaker controls what bills even make it out of committee much less come to the floor for a vote.

[TWR]

@max-webster

@montecresto1

I already told you that nobody wants Trumpian border security, never have. And you didn’t speak to the fact that it was Jimmy Carter who called for border fencing and Ronald Reagan who mocked the notion as something we don’t need. And he was the first to sign legislation to grant immunity to illegal immigrants.

okay, If you’re going to make up shit at least be believable and actually post facts
border security during Carter’s time was an issue but he was more concerned with the boat load of Asians fleeing communist vietnam hence why he signed the refugee act , and Cuba (remember mariel boatlift)

as in for Reagan signing the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, can we at least tell the truth behind why he signed that?

The truth was Reagan made a deal with the Democrats and blue dog democrats to appropriate the funds to secure the border in exchange for a one time amnesty grant to almost 3 million or so “illegals”

The Democrats led by Tip O’neill the perfidious bastards they were and are , reneged on the deal and Reagan never trusted them again which is why he shut down the government how many times ??

@montecresto1

In the end, the real truth is that neither party really wants a sealed border, and Trump is an anomaly, and amongst his thousands of documented lies, Reagan opposed border barriers, even though Trump has repeated his LIE otherwise.

Bullshit, the truth is the Democrats sees Illegal immigration as a political problem with no political solution, The Republicans are split on Illegal immigration, the Repubs that dont have any latinos in their district want border security the Repubs that have Latinos in their district that votes and has major donors from the latino community don’t want the Wall.

Trump who actually gives a shit about his country wants the wall.

All pretty true except the last. Legal/Citizen Hispanics overwhelmingly support border control and are not in favor of amnesty.

It has more to do with the National Chambers of Commerce and similar groups and their huge campaign coffers.

@Dave

@LouMan

Where’s the funding required to get people in front of a judge in less that 7 years? Where’s the funding to stop people from crossing the border forcing arrest and release into the country as w lack facilities to house them for 7 years? Where’s the funding from the House to uphold immigration law?

Where’s the laws to prevent false claims of asylum from the house.

Funding has been proposed. Noone has said border security and its funding in not an issue. Its your president that refuses to do anything without funding for his precious, or should I say polotically strategic, wall.

@Dave

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@max-webster

Bullshit, the truth is the Democrats sees Illegal immigration as a political problem with no political solution, The Republicans are split on Illegal immigration, the Repubs that dont have any latinos in their district want border security the Repubs that have Latinos in their district that votes and has major donors from the latino community don’t want the Wall.

Trump who actually gives a shit about his country wants the wall.

Speak english please, so we can understand the point you’re trying to make.

Truly priceless.

[TWR]

@montecresto1

@max-webster

okay, If you’re going to make up shit at least be believable and actually post facts
border security during Carter’s time was an issue but he was more concerned with the boat load of Asians fleeing communist vietnam hence why he signed the refugee act , and Cuba (remember mariel boatlift)

Nothing’s made up, Carter wanted border barriers and Reagan said it was a bad idea. That is fact.

Bullshit, that’s an outright lie.

@montecresto1

@max-webster

The truth was Reagan made a deal with the Democrats and blue dog democrats to appropriate the funds to secure the border in exchange for a one time amnesty grant to almost 3 million or so “illegals”

After he first campaigned on a completely different type of immigration reform.

Again, neither party wants a sealed border. Reagan was not a stupid man. You will not see a sealed southern border, Trump is an anomaly. Sealed borders are the antithesis of globalization and globalization is inevitable.

Nobody other than a few kooks are calling for the southern border to be sealed so that’s yet another lie on your part.

[Dave]

Not true. Thats one of Trumps rallying cries. A border wall! Implicit in that decry is that it will be a sealed border

[TWR]

Dave you look more like a fool with every post.

No proposal by Trump or anyone else would result in a sealed border, what it would result in is a controlled border.

The legal ports of entry are not and will not be closed nor has he ever proposed such a thing.

[Dave]

Call me a fool, but this is what Trump’s staunch supporters believe: seal the border, secure our jobs, make America great!

[Dave]

You are the anomoly, because you seem to be an actual thinking individual. I’m talking about the ignorant screaming idiots at his rallies