What is Wrong with Disney Land?

I lived in Central Florida for probably 20 years. Hated every stress filled minute of it. In 67, Disney took a diminutive cow town (Orlando) and turned it into a traffic snarled overpopulated hell hole. They can’t build housing fast enough. They can’t build resorts fast enough. In the 80s and 90s, huge fortunes were made in the timeshare business.
One thing I know for a fact: People only visit Disney World ONCE in their lifetimes. It’s too expensive and too stressful for a second shot. And the only thing that slowed Disney down was the Obama virus, (and the unnecessary panic which ensued afterward) which caused the parks to be closed and slowed down traffic on I-4.
The question we have to ask ourselves is whether or not this giant tourist monster will survive if families do what you are doing. I’m wondering if all the homos in America could visit this place and keep its numbers up.
(By the way, Disney never had an official Gay Day at the park. I remember living in Kissimmee when it was announced. What happened was, a bunch of homos just decided to show up en masse. Disney’s spokesman came on the news and said this was not official.)

I know for a fact that Orlando has an enormous homosexual population. Kinda like Key West in 1975. Don’t know if it’s that way now, but that schitthole is too far away and way to expensive for me to travel down there to see.Back in those days, the Village People actually praised Key West in a song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzGcsrOWPMo

Everything that you are saying is true, as I know first hand of some of the references you mention. I lived in both Sanford and Lake Mary for a period of 3 years while working for a private law firm in Seminole county before taking a gig with the DOD to which I departed for Iraq as a contractor.

During Hurricane seasons, which living through about 7 of them including Hurricane Katrina is where I realized that I-75, I-95 and I-4 were always bottlenecks during evacuations. I hated the strip malls and cement block houses to which were made from the cookie cutter templates where every house that looked the same were popping up everywhere, as well as the transplants from New York along with every other illegal working there who couldn’t speak English were moving there in droves.

There was always a running joke when I did some pro bono cases for a friend (the DWI and drug possession variety) as the saying used to go; “Come to Florida on vacation and leave on probation” as one fellow colleague would tell me that Florida was the catch drain for all the raw sewage that would filter down from the rest of the country. I guess in my line of work at the time there was some truth to that with all the drug busts I would see perpetuated from people who came down from places like Michigan, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Cuba, Puerto Rico, etc. etc.

I was lucky not to get caught up in the cocaine induced stripper parties with co-workers working in the commodities trading industry as I had a thirst to always be doing outdoor stuff and exploring the state. Most of my down time was spent on weekends at a place called Wallaby ranch, a community of aviators of small aircraft and Hot Air Balloons outside of Orlando were people would gather to fly their metallic wings and have beer parties afterwards. Cool place and good times. I especially like going to Blue Springs, St. Augustine, and checking out places that were off the beaten path like canoeing on the Kissimmee, and Wekiva rivers, as well as taking boat trips on the Everglades.

One of things of interest to me was exploring places that Jack Kerouac used to write about, his musings of his days while living in Florida and the descriptors he had for the state were not always of fondness but of cynicism of the impermanence that Florida culture always seemed to have made an impression on him. My literature was of Lucia St Clair Robson (To Light a Distant Fire) history of the Seminoles, and as I explored other parts of the South always reminiscing of what Falkner wrote about as I headed in places like Charleston, SC, Savannah, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee were also of interest to me. Never made it to Key West for the very same reason you articulated, but still, it would have been cool to check out Hemingway’s cats and the place he used to live while living his exploits of daring manhood’s fate of survival while fishing for Marlins that I can imagine were glorious lived experiences before the rift raft came in. From all of this I can imagine a place with rows of Orchards of Orange Trees during times of blossoms, and seasonal blooms that used to dominate certain places in Florida before the congenial greedy businessmen saw dollar signs in real estate developments that destroyed such natural beauties as well as farming communities that used to thrive there. Nothing like cutting open a fresh Florida orange and biting into its fresh juicy taste that can only be found in Florida. Much of the natural landscapes that where there had an abundance of natural wild-life, native species to Florida that used to flourish with a balanced Eco-system but that all changed when people started bringing in foreign invaders like the Burmese Python and Iguanas that now threaten other species to extinction. Still, Alligators and seeing their ancient eyes swimming below my canoe in clear water was both an intense experience and of wonderment to be able to appreciate such things about Florida.

Disney destroyed quite a bit of the natural environment when they built their now Disney World, and like you said, the long wait in lines to get on a ride or see an attraction especially in oppressive Humid hot weather was simply not worth the wait, so I never bothered with it nor had a desire to go see the attractions. People were delusional of a world that only existed in the Movies that they watched on Sunday evenings (Disney special) it simply didn’t exist. It was all an Illusion.

Don’t get me started on the retirement communities and their nazi like homeowners associations with gated communities and golf courses. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I took solace in places like Miami where the collection of Art Deco Architecture is still very prominent and is a well preserved heritage of a bygone era. Also Jackonville as Southern culture there is you still had Lynyrd Skynyrd as cultural Icons, as well as Tom Petty. Ha! Its a shame, Florida as much as many are moving there due to prosperity and an awesome Governor that is finally running things right there, I am not sure I would want to move there with what is there now. Probably more of the same when I was living there, but more crowded than ever with rising housing costs, such sense of impermanence never settled my soul thus I wasn’t one to be longing for Florida. Visit? Yes probably, but who knows.

A friend I grew up with, left his family and ventured to Orlando. He died young from AIDS in the late seventies. No one knew that he was homosexual.

If I had to live in a large city in Florida, it would be either Tampa or St. Pete, mostly because their city fathers were a lot more sensible about managing growth and roads. Both towns are pretty easy to navigate through, even during rush hour. Nothing like that hell hole Orlando. And the beaches off St. Pete are pretty nice.

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Is that what happened? Monte actually discussed those personal criteria?
Or could it be that he was just making stuff up to (a) give himself some liberal street cred, or (b) incense some normal people here and shock them?
Maybe it’s just me, but I would be giving out that kind of personal information.
And if he approves of sex with minors, he’s halfway to admitting to a felony.

I think he’s just being a dick, even if it is a sawed off dick for show.

It had been a while since I last posted here and Monte seems to be coming off the rails with the personal insults. (Then again, all liberals eventually go nuts after losing an argument so many times.)

Truthfully, I’d rather just discuss the issues and wound people with facts and truth.

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There is a huge homosexual population in Orlando.
I think the AIDS virus came out in the 80s. Thing is, it’s a retro virus, (meaning Reverse Transcriptase), which means a property able to rewrite DNA. There are other retro viruses in Florida, including Equine Infectious Anemia, better known as Swamp Fever.
In college I did a very controversial paper on AIDS, where my group had to visit Centaur, (an AIDS halfway house.) Don’t mind telling you I was a bit nervous that day. I quoted The Strecker Memorandum as a source, along with others.

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In 1969 I saw Hendrix at Curtis Dixon Hall

I heard a lot of good things about St Pete, especially the Beaches. They also have a museum known for having the largest collection of Salvador Dali paintings. Never been there though. As far as Orlando is concerned, I was never attracted to going into the city much, nor desired to live there. I remembered when I first arrived there, I spent a night in a Home Stay ( A hotel residence serviced apartment) while I was looking for an apartment. The place was infested with roaches, and at night there were Prostitutes and drug dealers outside yacking it up in the odd hours of night which prevented me from getting to sleep, which pretty much sealed the deal for me that the next day I was out of there.

That is why I moved to Sanford, a small town that had Character and was situated on Lake Monroe. Some interesting facts about Sanford. Its home to a company that builds and specializes in Fire Trucks which in turn supplies the Nations Fire trucks. Almost all municipalities from every state and city from all over the country get their Fire Trucks from this one company in Sanford which I think is pretty cool.

Another interesting fact, if you remember the Trayvon Martin incident happened in Sanford, but that was well after my time when living there. Before that, Sanford was a quite little town with its quaint little cottages, some Victorian style houses adorned with their wrap around porches surrounded with trees and its hanging Spanish moss.

He didn’t say anything about being sexually abused but he sure exhibits behaviors as someone who has. He has discussed as if advocating and supporting that its OK for older people to marry people younger than 16 and having sex with minors as if its no big deal. I can’t remember what thread it was in but it wasn’t that long ago.

I think he says certain things in order to get attention here. One perfect example is him resurrecting threads here and responding to people who he knows are banned. Who does that?

Yes, he did come off the rails, but I just having fun with him seeing how far he would actually go. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This being the latest example?

If you read my bio, you’d know I work as a substitute teacher and as a musician, (although these days there are so many gigs that I haven’t had time to take a sub shift.) I play several instruments and work by myself. One of those instruments is the double tenor steel drums. They were made in Sanford. The company is Tropical Hammer. The guy who made them is Tom Reynolds. He was in a soft rock band with a number one Cashbox hit in 1971. The band was Hamilton, Joe Frank and Reynolds.

The guy way to the right is Tom. These days his son Thomas works with him. Thomas looks so much like him in the eyes (without the big hair), it’s haunting.
First time I stepped foot in his panyard I saw those gold records on the way.
It’s my only reason to travel to Sanford, these days. Get the steel drums tuned.

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He’s either a troll who wants to cause trouble by being the only liberal voice in a predominantly conservative forum, or he really believes the eff ucked up stuff he posts.
He probably understands that Muslims marry girls even at age 9. That is any entire eff ucked up culture who believes in legalized statutory rape.

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Thanks for sharing that song, I heard that one, and was a popular song on the radio for many years. Pretty cool!

What kind of gigs or what type of music are you mostly involved with? What other instruments do you play?

This is how it is suppose to be handled! No mercy!

I agree.To bad this doesn’t happen in the U.S. No one to argue that the sentence is to severe in Indonesia.

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That answer could fill a book. I’ll try the Reader’s Digest version.
First instrument (2nd grade) piano. Three years then switched to trumpet. Played in symphony orchestra (third chair trumpet) before the 7th grade. Picked up guitar for a road band in 75. Picked up flute from Neil Diamond tribute band in 86. Double tenor steel drums in 2003.

These days I work one of three formats: Steel drums and classic rock (Double tenors, flugelhorn, flute, acoustic guitar.)
Classic Rock: (Yamaha Motif 6 workstation keyboard, electric guitar, flute, flugehorn.)
Jazz (stage piano, muted trumpet, Gibson Howard Roberts guitar, Flute.)

I work by myself, which means I program and record my own backing tracks. Been programming sequences since 91.

Most of the gigs I work in this small, almost remote section of southwest Florida include a sunset cruise charter every Wednesday (and I travel REALLY light for that since it involves climbing stairs on a moving boat); various outdoor TIKI bars, a couple of indoor venues each week.

The straight ahead classic rock format I use very rarely. Most of the place want the steel drums and there isn’t room for drums and keyboards.

There is a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep pocket country club nearby that hires me for Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, etc, with the Jazz format. They even provide the grand piano and I just bring Jazz tracks and a few instruments, suit and tie, stuff like that.

Coolest gravy gig ever was a beach wedding where I was paid $200 to play ONE song on the trumpet. I drove 65 miles in a tux. The song was Trumpet Voluntary, by Henry Purcell. I had a string quartet backing me up. It helps to have a classical music background.

Another pretty gravy gig was a wedding where I backed up a tenor from the NY Metropolitan Opera. He sang one song (Bis Bin Du Mir, Bach) and my hands were shaking during the song. Imagine hearing Pavorotti while playing.

Once in a while an agent will stick me in a duo or with a band, any event where they want either steel drums or someone who can sight read. Down here, there aren’t a lot of Mozarts working the circuit.

Not sure I would go for death. In America, it wouldn’t be necessary. A child rapist sentenced to life, no parole? That animal would be dead inside of a month in prison. Save the taxpayers a ton of money.

Inmates HATE child molesters.

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Awesome stuff bro! Your resume and your abilities to play multiple instruments is pretty intimidating, but if you are able to do what you love most and are happy then it makes you the winner in most things in life and that is all that really matters. On the latter, I am not there yet but do have plans for some releases by the end of the year. I play only two instruments guitar and piano.

I am (not to brag) an accomplished Classical guitar player specializing in Tarrega, Granados, Fleury, Lauro, Dyens (other composers of the Victorian Spanish style variety) other styles I play are Flamenco, Brazilian samba, Argentinian Pampas, and other traditional stuff like Vivaldi, Debussy, Bach but not too much beyond those due to wanting to refine mostly my Spanish style sound as it integrates well with Jazz. I really like as my favorite influences Paco de Lucia, Leo Brouwer Jorge Morel, and Pat Metheny for guitar. Other artists I like for the electronic compositions I focus on is Peter Gabriel, Bond, B-Tribe, Hefner, Zero-7 Afro Celt Sound System just to name a few. There of course many more, and my pallet for appreciating other genres of music is pretty diverse. I am always in search of what new artists that are off the beaten path are creating these days and who really push and strive for originality. When I like to borrow from such artists I always for to Free Music Archives which is such a rich resource for exploring what newer artists are doing.

I have done a lot of chill out recordings as well as world sounds using Midi, with a Ensonique weighted Keyboard with built in sampling, along with a Proteus sample instrument module, and Ableton Live and Pro Logic as my multi tracking program software. Like you I do a lot of my own back tracks with a full ensemble as well as doing alot of creative looping. Been doing this type of stuff since the early Eighties when I was not in my studies and usually I like to take a more minimalist approach when it comes to the tech stuff and recording.