UK/US now shitholes but why?

The mission was never to simply train the Afghan army.

It is true of most countries because of the banking system.
The Fed is the real US Government.
Money talks. (Fake money or not)

Anyone who refutes all of that must be in denial about it?

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It must have been. because every time the Afghan war was mentioned it was made clear the main reason the west is there is ‘to train the Afghan army’? The other ‘mission’ :roll_eyes: was to seek out and destroy OBL who was hiding in the Hindu Kush - your military actually believed he could be located in the vastness of an entire mountain range which covers more than half of the entire country??? FFS you couldn’t make it up! So stop with all your ignorant alternative facts because you’re coming across as some kind of deluded Walter Mitty.

The mission was to protect women’s rights, right?
(as per Hillary Clinton)

Yep, America’s involvement got Afghan women in deeper shit

I recall a scene in Bitter Lake of some female trying to explain to a classroom of young Afghan females what concept art is: to do it she was holding up (of all things) a urinal, saying it’s an early example of modern art - and the girls were looking at one another as if to say ‘If this is the west’s idea art they must be fucking bonkers’ . . . and it is, and we are.

Training the army wasn’t even the foremost mission. The stated US policy/mission was the destruction of al Qaeda and the Taliban.

“President George W. Bush launched the first missiles in October 2001, about a month after the Sept. 11 attacks. The goals were to destroy Al Qaeda and the Taliban government that protected it, and to ensure the country wouldn’t be a safe haven for terrorists.“

Instead, the US leaves, similar to the departure from Vietnam, having not only failed to meet the objectives, but worse, the Taliban that was to be destroyed, is stronger than ever and has been invited to share the government as a legitimate player. YEP, the terrorist group that the US allegedly entered Afghanistan to destroy, has been legitimized.

Well no that certainly isn’t true and never has been.

The stated mission going in was to get OBL and AQ and to deny Afghanistan to them as a safe haven.

Well no, when we left Vietnam the Cong had been destroyed and the NVA driven back across the 34th parallel.

Taliban, al-Qaeda, ISIS…
They are safe with CIA who will always protect and finance them.

The US military killed off Viet Cong (with a lot of civilian collateral damage, I might add) so that the whole country would become communist.

And in Afghanistan — you know the rest of the story.

Well that’s insane. The VC were rabidly communist so if that was the goal of the CIA explain why they were wiped out.

Not yet.
CIA is being wiped out by peasants (That’s us) awakening.

More completely unsupportable conspiracy nut bs.

Get some new material for god’s sake.

Sorry. Old material you missed.

What does that have to do with anything we’re discussing?

You brought it up. Don’t pretend ignorance.

No, you did…

I mentioned CIA in connection with Afghanistan.
Not in connection with Vietnam.

Really?

I’ll ask again, if the CIA’s/Military/US goal was to have all of Vietnam united under communism why would we kill of the VC who were rabid communist guerrillas?

The US couldn’t.

The same reason Japan invaded China.
To bring the whole country under Mao.