This reminded me of one my favourite meals - bacon and eggs aka all day breakfast. 
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ā¦ because all the Vegans are has-beans
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This study was completed to review all the existing studies which tell us meat is bad for you, processed and unprocessed. IE: Where the advice from the World Health Organisation comes from and our Governments
All of the authorās credentials and conflict of interest declarations are there.
Extract:
Evidence Summary for Harms and Benefits of Unprocessed Red Meat Consumption
For our review of randomized trials on harms and benefits (12 unique trials enrolling 54 000 participants), we found low- to very low-certainty evidence that diets lower in unprocessed red meat may have little or no effect on the risk for major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.
This in itself isnāt saying that meat is good or bad but basically stating the current so called scientific studies provide no evidence. If you read that have reviewed all of what is considered to be the most important studies out there.
Ok Stu, you win. You win every argument including one on flat earth. 
Out of interest, what is your RHR and blood pressure?
Jen I donāt feel like I have won anything, I wasnāt competing. I donāt have a discussion to win an argument including my thoughts about the shape of the earth. By the way I have never actually said āI think the earth is flatā, what I have drawn attention to are some things I have personal experience of and my scepticism about gravity but Iām fine with receiving the āFlat Eartherā label if that is what is important in these discussions. With regard to the āMEAT IS BAD RESEARCHā just sharing information I have found to bring to the attention of people who obviously care and have some interest in nutrition, it what it is, it may not fall into line with your personal views but I do know that Harvard are planning the first ever proper controlled study on meat to better address the current situation and who knows it may well be that what you said is correct, when that is published but for now at least all the current research has been misleading people and that is a fact. Hopefully if this new study is fair and complete we will both know for sure either way. I have never said anything negative about your chosen diet and have often said here many times what is probably more important than anything else is eating fresh produce and cutting out all the processed crap.
Iāve just checked my RHR and it was 63 not sure if Iām actually rested but whatever. I donāt know what my blood pressure is but I have had a letter to say I need to pop into the quacks for a well mans M.O.T as I havenāt been in a long while. If I decide to go I will let you know what it is.
We all disagree about all kinds of stuff but that is fine ā¦ this one is dedicated to all of us who disagree 
itās Friday tooā¦ enjoy.
Where did I ever say āmeat is bad?ā No matter what I say or use to support my assertion, you will always find something with which to dismiss it, whether it be the calibre of the author or the mention of a certain drug, all the while ignoring the true message. NASA āprovesā the earth is round, but you dispute their worthiness, therefore it cannot be round. Never mind that it was proven to be round long before NASA existed. You see, it is very easy to criticise.
All I was saying is that I think in the developed West, we eat too much meat and compare the consumption with āwesternā diseases, like CVD, hypertension, cancers etc. Of course you can say, it is only a correlation and you can cite a million other possibilities, like pink trousers. Sure. There are an awful lot of correlations which match up to the science, which match up to the reality that the people with the best longevity do not consume high levels of meat. Where are the conflicts of interest? Advising that we eat less meat isnāt making anyone any more money.
Hereās a Friday tribute to vegetarians - they wrote this in honor of their vegetarian drummer, Chris Slade
You didnāt directly. I posted something for Rob and he replied saying he was going to raise his intake and you said Noooo and advised about 30g of proteinā¦
So all I have done is respond because there is nothing to support it with actual evidenceā¦ as you say donāt shoot the messenger. I wonāt always find something to dismiss your assertion but on this ocassion I just happen to have been fortunate enough to have read about that review and the work of those PROFās. Itās no big deal, I considered it as a bit of a service just to make you make you aware, thatās all. All that being said, it was not intended to affect your personal opinion, that is what it is and of course that is fine 
Yes I do but that is only my opinion of them I have no proof in much the same way as they donāt.
I donāt see who or what I have critised Jen, Iām certainly not criticising you, just pointing out the information I had found. I myself was not aware that there was no hard and fast data but had my own suspicions and found some information, what is so bad about that ? Iāve already said your opinions could well be right but we will need proper data to know not just a bunch of coincidences. This is not critical of you this is being critical of the idiots who put this data out without giving us the full picture and this where my OPINION comes in that it is agenda driven.
Again that is absolutely fine and I have no problem with that as your opinion.
Again there isnāt the data to support it because the stats they do have wrap up meat eaters with every other piece of crap available too, so it skews the findings.
Oh come on Jen both sides likely have an agenda cash wise, lots of space taken up by crop growers and the media slant is very much towards us all eating leaves only.
Only this morning I noticed a Front Page Headline in the āIā newspaper with a big pic of veg etc saying āVEGAN BOOST AS 40% OF MEAT EATERS CUT BACKā and someone shared a photo of a supermarket selling āVEGAN TRAINERSā.
And this is probably the thing that pisses me off the most is that the advice from WHO/governments is agenda driven.
Not available in my country but wasnāt that an instrumental ?
Simple lyrics, but no
Oh Ok my musical memory is not too bad but I donāt remember that one, will have to dig it out somewhere and have a listen.
Hereās another one from them - they did some good songs
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Yeah definitely, nice intro by whispering Bob there.
Blinded By The Light still stands out for me.
The agenda for veganism is 1. anti capitalism 2. to control and create a generation of sheep 3. to make people ill and stupid, thus dependent and easier to control.
There is no control agenda for eating less meat. I am not advocating veganism!
You donāt know that and I know you donāt advocate veganism.
Everywhere I turn in the media meat is being slaughtered (no pun intended).
To push veganism you have to demonize meat and dairy. They do it with fish too but it is more subtle.
Edit:
Did you see Question Time last night ? It was in Liverpool, I havenāt watched yet but apparently it was loaded with some embarrassingly pathetic people.
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ā¦ if you donāt go you might be de-registered.
It is a bit like making sure that you are still alive.
So thatās what happened to Jack Bruce!
I remember them for thisā¦
ā¦shame, that was so good!