Brainwashing actually works.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Too bad we canât talk them into holding their breath until Trump is removed.
Another trend that started in San Francisco. The T-shirts should read âneed money to buy weedâ
Splitting hairs Jen, I know the body doesnât have a calorie counter, it is a constant juggling act accessing the energy store but you do know what I mean Iâm sure. Technically yes itâs all stored but it is the difference between putting something in the fridge or the deep freezer. Yes the original point was about the protein/mTor relationship and it affecting autophagy. Insulin & glucose are the drivers for mTor. Having increase animal protein like 80g does not have the effect like you say or to be more precise it will not give prolonged insulin response any more than any normal intake of food and because of the branch chain acids it is better at regulating that insulin response than ingested carbs. This is not my thinking this is the what the Profâs say. So for example if I eat one meal a day and effectively going 23 hours or so between meals and I consume 100g of protein and say 150g of fat and no intake of dietary carbs this will absolutely have no detrimental affect to autophagy or impact liver and kidney function which is often suggested. Much of the data has been skewed apparently because most of the studies have been done with raised protein combined with significant amounts of dietary carbs. Of course the demon has always been concluded as being the high protein without accounting for the impact of even the âgoodâ carbs. I only learnt this a few years ago by chance as this stuff has always interested me but often the science talk makes some things difficult to understand (for me anyway)., but listening and reading material from Professors Don Layman and Stuart Philips made the wood visible among the trees.
mTor is driven by protein. Insulin is driven by glucose. mTor stimulates growth, which is what you want in childhood, but in adulthood, it accelerates aging, increases inflammation and risk of cancers.
A better way to reduce mTOR production is to restrict animal protein intake.
One of the drivers of mTOR appears to be the amino acid leucine, which is found in higher amounts in animal foods (e.g. dairy, meat, chicken, fish, and eggs).
Eating plantsâand specifically cruciferous veggiesâdecreases mTOR activation and provides natural mTOR inhibition.
Reducing our animal protein intake (versus restricting calories) is a much easier approach when it comes to decreasing mTOR levelsâand also a more powerful one.
That is because lowering the consumption of animal protein will not only suppress mTOR production but also decrease IGF-1 levels
You only have to look at the example of the older generation Okinawa Japanese for evidence that this approach seems to work. For centuries, the extremely long-lived Okinawans have traditionally consumed a largely plant-based diet; only a scant 1 percent of their diet was made up of fish, meat, eggs, and dairy.
With respect Jen she is a (Vet not military, animal vet!) and pushes the plant based diet and all fats are bad mantra.
To clarify: within the context of healthy foods.
Hmm, I didnât know that 
I like âsomeâ carrots, but most are âŚmeh
I am not a great fruit fan either. I used to hate dates, and then I went to Algeria in March (1995) ⌠the date crop was only days old. It completely changed my view on dates.
"Dr. Oliveira received her DVM from the School of Veterinary Medicine at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro and both her M.Sc. and PhD in Preventive Veterinary Medicine from the State University of SĂŁo Paulo in Brazil.
Dr. Rosane Oliveira is a native of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and has lived in the US since 2003."
She does have experience in research apparently but itâs largely been epidemiological, which isnât evidence based. Itâs more involved in looking at coincidences and correlations.
A ridiculous analogy but to explain. Out of 100 people studied with Lung Cancer 80 of them wore yellow shirts. Therefore yellow dye causes cancer.
Pretty much most of the alarmist headlines about this and that causes cancer/heart disease etc comes from this type of study.
Facts are facts regardless of the messenger or toilet paper it is written on. Is this better? Says the same thing.
Tell you what Stu, you carry on enjoying your big chunks of cow and I will carry on enjoying my veg and fish. 
I wonder where China would be in the graph.
There is high pork consumption in China (Probability) while fish consumption in China is limited to coastal regions (My assumption).
I wouldnât want to eat fish in China because itâs mostly from rivers and lakes which are likely to be highly polluted.
That depends on where itâs being stored. If itâs in your bra, I totally agree. 
Jen yeah thatâs fine I will thanks and likewise hope you continue to thrive also 
The point here is that protein isnât the bogey man and I think you will find that the studies are mainly epidemiological at best. What are the source of the slides they donât give any detail really about anything ?
The link is trash too, data to push the drug Rapamycin, the test subjects mice, nematodes and yeast ?
I prefer to listen to the Profâs who have been studying the effects on humans of Animal Protein and suggest most of the epidemiology clap trap.
What the graphs donât show is what else is being jammed down their throats with the meat ? Coca Cola, Ice Cream etc etc But this is how they present this type of data, itâs what you might call âLets Jump To Conclusion Dataâ in other words mostly bullshit.
This is a good listen IMO. Itâs a long one but take it in small bites for those interested. Itâs not just about food etc some interesting stuff about being a surgeon in Afghanistan and about being hung out to dry by a hospital for offering advice which didnât fit the business model of the hospital 
Suit yourself. You can always find something to dismiss evidence if you want to. What I have posted is only a speck on the subject and there is plenty more evidence, probably far more valid than I have found. But if youâre not interested, youâre not interested.
Funny though, I have never seen any studies or evidence to suggest that eating vegetables along with fish is bad for you, bullshit or otherwise. Iâm not taking chances. Why is eating vegetables not a topic of debate?
Iâm with you on that.
Especially soy. Soy isnât really a good source for protein.
In ancient China, it wasnât even considered fit for human consumption, so it was thrown to pigs.
However, due to famine, wars, overpopulation and food shortages, the Chinese started consuming soy but they were smart enough to ferment it first.
Other than that, vegans are vegans because they want to eliminate cruelty to animals. Fine. But not at the expense of other people, especially growing children.
Have they never heard of cruelty to vegetables?
I am interested that is why I got involved in the conversation, what I am saying is what you call evidence has many flaws in it and the hard facts are that there is no conclusive scientific study to flatly say meat protein is bad for us and the Profs who have studied it say that the current RDAâs were introduced as a baseline back in the 1940âs as a guidline for how much they needed to give to the military men to be able to carry out their duties.That is all Iâm saying! Yes what you have posted is only a spec and the the real truth about nutritional science is it is a mass mess !
All I asked is let us look at the source of the graphs to see what the controls were ? Just to say 320g per day for NZ and to directly correlate that to the high rate of colon cancer is absurd. Itâs hardly scientific. For instance does it tell us any further information in that study ? It just tells us that there are about 40 women per 100k that have colon cancer that also consume about 320g of meat per day (about 80g protein per day). Did they ask if they engaged in anal sex ? Did they ask if they engage in anal sex with horses or people from third world countries with an M in their name ? How many of those 100,000 women consume cake ? Chocolate ? Booze ? etc etc So how can they be sure meat is the bogey man when there are likely so many other factors? Beside the agenda similar to climate change etc to demonize it ? Could it be they want everyone just existing on plants and weak as nats piss ? I donât know, Iâm just sayingâŚ
Come on surely you can accept that is not evidence to just make that connection. To truly know there would need to be a controlled study of a few thousand people eating nothing but meat (and probably no bum busting either 
) over a significant period and to my knowledge that has never been done.
Eating vegetables can be a topic of debate, I do know there plenty of people who thrive without and with them. Some people just canât handle the fibre and the oxylates are a concern for many too.