The Rabbit Hole

Yep, he pulled that off. That will make Brexiteers very happy. :+1:

That seems the most logical…

No one knows for sure there is something the other side. There might be nothing. I don’t remember anything before I was born. So if everything that has ever lived and died has a soul floating around, there must be an awful lot of souls. Whatever, it seems like an excuse not to make the most of your life.

Belief can be dangerous. In a certain ideology, losers can become winners by blowing themselves up along with as many infidels as possible. They will then go to heaven and be rewarded with 72 virgins. If they didn’t believe that, they wouldn’t be doing it obviously.

A few thousand miles high would be well into space, far beyond the edge of the atmosphere. :roll_eyes:

The atmosphere is 480km thick. Most of it is within 16km. ISS is 408km from Earth.

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I suspect the latter hence I am expecting nothing after death.

For those who wish to end their lives early, I respect their view so I respect those who elect suicide. Those taking out innocent people in the process seem rather selfish but those that don’t and simply go quietly must be in pretty bad shape mentally to take such action.

I don’t know why some people think they have the right to interfere with another persons decision to end their own life. If it is your own child or family member I understand attempting to intervene but those “do gooders” who setup help groups and want laws passed to help their own cause are just deluded.

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Haha like it but I thought Antonio Vivaldi gave us The four seasons :rofl:

I also assumed that the seasons would have been in play for millions of years, so before man came along and made up “climate change” :blush:

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I have always believed that there is more to life than just ‘‘life’’
Don’t know why I believe and I recognise that it is totally out of character for me
I’m not religious in any way and don’t really believe in God, but I do believe in Jesus.
Maybe its something to do with the science of energy, whereby energy never dies it just transforms into something else - human life is just energy.
But as Socrates would say - there is only one thing I know for certain.

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Clearly no one knows Magog whether there is more than just this one life !
I have my own suspicion there is nothing beyond this one I am living.
I too have taken an agnostic stance on God but there is every possibility Jesus’s story was based on a person who once existed. I see no reason to believe he was anything more than a human who was perceived by some to have done some remarkable things, considering some of the better known magicians we see today.

Just as J.K.Rowling captured the imagination of millions the author / authors of the bible seem to have done the same.

I often wonder as I burn wood on the log fire. Once the potential energy of the wood has converted into transient heat energy with a by product of flame and ash, how many more times can that ash convert to another energy form before it is no more. Presumably on the basis that there is a limit to the number of times energy can convert there might be a time when all energy is exhausted and hence we go back to the blackness of space. I suspect once all matter has completed it’s cycle of entropy and there is no more ordered atomic structure to provide energy from, the universe will be at the same place it might have been in the distant past where perhaps disorder rules and somehow a big bang will evolve from it. :thinking:

The persuasion of belief is more powerful than the persuasion of the truth.

Perhaps we could remedy the situation by pointing out that the 72 virgins are on their 5000th martyr, and in fact are no longer virgins.

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Their values are no longer aligned with those of the rest of society. Alternatively they are in great pain and are taking a decision to end the pain … a practice that was well understood in the War when e.g. pilots might shoot themselves rather than burn to death.

That is in direct contradiction to the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.

The potential energy in the wood you burn is in fact stored sunlight. The light was used to convert chemicals into other forms or arrangements of the same chemicals, but needed an input of energy to achieve the new form. When burnt those chemicals revert to their original forms (water, carbon-dioxide, nitrogen and a few other mineral fractions). The energy released when burning wood is the solar energy which was captured by the tree when it was growing.

http://physicsforidiots.com/physics/thermodynamics/

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Agree and weirdly some peoples pain is that they believe they can’t face the days humdrum and if they continue deep enough with their perception they feel the only way out is to terminate their lives.
I think this plight is the saddest as it is we ourselves that decides if something is pleasueable or unbearable.
I suspect science / medicine will eventually have the instruments to alter our outlook as is already available by hypnosis and in time this will becime common place for doctors to prescribe.

Dear friends, and other contributors to the Rabbit Hole, I have been misleading you.
This was entirely unintentional … I promise.

It appears that only 72% of the electorate turned out to vote in the Brexit Referendum.
The result was still 52% leave : 48% remain as previously stated.

This is however good news (for me at least).
It means that only 35% of the electorate actually voted to remain in the EU; the rest (65%) want to leave … an even bigger mandate for getting the hell out of the EU!

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Agreed Ex I am happy to conduct my daily activities based on our natural laws that are understood today but they are only that, “laws for today” until some new understanding surpasses them.

My mind is not convinced yet that energy will not run out over the course of universal time.

Heck I am still waiting for the broken dish I dropped years ago to reform itself without man’s influence :rofl:

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Sorry, it’s a typo. Read “meters”.
Mt Fuji here has the altitude of approx. 4,000 m. Mt Everest 8844.43 m (29,017 ft) according to wiki.
Wiki also mentions there is an argument whether the height should be rock height or snow height. Whatever…

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To a degree, I believe this as well.

However, I do not agree that the next life is necessarily more rewarding depending on what you do with this life.

I do believe that each life offers a series of lessons that must be leaned and if not learned are repeated in the next and next life until they are.

At some point in your evolution, you can choose to stay with God, or come back as a teacher until ready to stay with God.

In this reasoning, I do not believe there is hell. That experiencing hell is part of our travels through life, just as experiences heaven is part of our travels through life.

What I’d like to know is what happens after the martyr uses up his 72 virgins.

Then he’s got a harem on his hands. 72 nagging and bickering women. Sounds more like being condemned to an eternity in misery. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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My beliefs have changed throughout my lifetime as more awakening takes place through experience.
Unfortunately I haven’t had an experience yet to allow me to believe in an after life so I can only tick through this one smiling at each day I wake up to see the world :grinning:

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For some it could be argued that their current life is in fact a living hell and thereby death can only be better(heaven??) - Who was it who said the greatest gift of life is death?

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Plato said philosophy is a training of dying.

Plato firmly believed in reincarnation and yet it’s not taught in your college philosophy today. I wonder why.

He said philosophy is a short cut to nirvana (He didn’t use this term per se) and you can spare many life times to get there if you practice philosophy. (He coined this term, meaning “love of wisdom”)

Obviously later European “philosophy” and “philosophers” are all fake.