Now you are seeing the point I am making. As a country we keep getting further and further away from capitalism and the free market and keep adding more services and “benefits” provided by the state. At what point do we stop and say enough is enough? All of those things I listed above can and should be provided by the private sector (yep - and I do mean police, fire, education, roads, healthcare, etc).
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I don’t disagree with your points. I also don’t disagree with where our country might be headed. My only disagreement was on the current state of affairs. The U.S. isn’t a failed Socialist state; yet!
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And that was probably something that I should have clarified - but on the capitalism, socialism, communism continuum - we have been steadily moving into socialist territory since FDR and the New Deal.
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No disagreement there. I don’t like what I’m seeing from the younger generation of DEMs.
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That’s why the Green New Deal is so scary. It takes the socialist policies that FDR put into place and adds even more and makes them all more extreme and tries to kill the private sector.
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Not a federal institutions.
Our constitution recognized the difference between federal government abd the governments of states. This is fundamental in America and - if the difference is recognized in the courts - will keep is from becoming a socialist nation while permitting smaller level organizations to serve their constituents in whatever way the constituents choose… including socialistic structures.
No one who who conflates federal government with state and local government can accurately describe what the United States is.
Libs will laugh. If you ever have to debate them on your point, just list Hitler’s original “25 point” plan that started his rise. Maybe half of the points are nationalist but the other half are socialistic in nature.
Libs are the most uneducated intellectuals one will ever meet.
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Aren’t the just, worse though, they have no interest in educating themselves
You are implying that state’s rights haven’t been usurped by the federal government for generations and that the left gives a damn about the Constitution.
No. I’m not implying that.
You can make a valid point without listing institutions of state and local government… not to mention co-ops and volunteer organization’s.
The United States is a mixed economy, Most free economies are hybrids the exception are Central planned marxist leninist countries like Cuba, Mao’s China, the former USSR, North Korea.
government policy
responsibility of municipalities
responsibility of the federal government
was under the control of the private sector and individual states in the 1800’s until the federal government took over the responsibility Federal Highway Act passed in the early 20th century
FDR and LBJ
if you look at the history of hospital, they were military hospital until the christian period
all government policies,how is that socialism?
The workers don’t control it, the government controls and funds them through our tax dollars
The definition of socialism morphs with the lefts desire to paint it favorably
Even those communes with a few dozen misfits end up falling apart. Despite all this, wishful thinking overcomes all negative data.
You are probably right. I don’t have data on that.
It’s human nature. We want to be more than someone’s slave. The slightest inequity in the Marxist creed “from each” or “to each” will trigger a response from human DNA.
Libs would be better gods, in their minds, redesigning our DNA.
It’s not worth it to me to get serious data on it, but I’ve read plenty of accounts of those idealistic communes disintegrating because one guy does all the work, one guy comes up with bright ideas and a bunch of them relax in hammocks.
Because Socialism is defined as government control of the means of production. We have social programs, not socialism. Too damn many social programs but we’re a capitalist nation. That’s what drives the economy and funds government.
As to your list, Police, Military, Jails, Roads, etc… are infrastructure, not socialistic programs.
Sorry, Germany was Socialist under Hitler. It was effectively full government control. As to the Fascist element, yeah, fascism often revives an economy short term… the problem is the long term impact. You know, taking a loan out often impacts my budget short term positively… long term is makes things even worse.
Just because we have social programs does NOT make us Socialist. What these idiots are advocating in DC right now is SOCIALISM… which is government control of the means of production. When they talk about a hostile takeover of the health system, that’s government control. When they talk about outlawing fossil fuels, they will need to replace those with other energy sources… three guesses who runs those companies… Right now, we have a large social safety net funded by a capitalist system. It’s not even close to socialism.
Infrastructure is NOT the means of production, nor is it the distribution of goods. Those items are NOT socialist programs, they are government entities funded by a capitalist system.
This is basic stuff dude, seriously.
That I can agree with, they’ve been trying like mad to move us to socialism through heavy regulations, larger social safety nets and the such… but that doesn’t make us socialist, nor are most of the programs you listed inherently socialist. We could make an argument that SS is Socialist in the way it’s been implemented, though it certainly wasn’t sold as Socialism. Police and fire though, those are just basic government infrastructure programs.