Socialism from History

#1

So, just collecting information for my website.

I need a list of successful Socialist countries and Socialist countries that ended in disaster. . . I’ll start

Successful:
/crickets

Disaster:
USSR - Stalin
China - Mao
Cambodia - Pol Pot
Germany - Hitler
Venezuela - Chavez

Add as you wish, I’ll compile them… Make damn sure they’re Socialist nations, not Capitalist nations with social safety nets.

so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \

Definition of socialism

1 any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

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#2

Define successful? What does that look like?

#3

Robust economy, large middle class, freedom of speech and preferably, government not murdering their citizens for speaking against government.

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#4

The argument that all the failures of socialism are because countries such as Zimbabwe, soon S. Africa, and now Venezuela - are not socialist, but dictatorships - can be defeated with three words:

-Not at first.

This is why anyone with a brain fears socialism, it is like section 8 housing - it means good in some way, but becomes a nightmare- every single time. The notion that people will become more altruistic when what they work for is taken from them is as asinine as the idea that people will behave better if you move them into a nicer neighborhood. Scary neighborhoods reflect the people who live there, and socialist countries reflect the horrid failure of absolute government control.

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#5

Add Cuba
North Korea
Congo
Albania
Yugoslavia
Angola
Vietnam
Laos

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#6

This might help you understand the difference

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#7

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#8

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#9

The only thing close to working socialism is probably a monastery or a cloistered convent. The people there requested the lifestyle. Nothing else I can think of. If you choose to be a minimalist, nothing wrong. If you are forced, a whole different story. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a Vietnamese Refugee: The difference between Socialism & Communism is the AK 47 pointed at your head.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people.” Frank Zappa

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#10

Old Adage: “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions”.

#11

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#12

When socialism is forced, a dictatorship will result.

Communes with a few dozen misfits may not need a dictatorship to keep their socialism working. But no nation can do it without force.

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#13

A better comparison would be North Korea and South Korea.

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#14

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.

The 3 quotes are from Alexis De Tocqueville written over 200 years ago and probably are more accurate today that when he pinned them.

#15

Thanks for that LouMan, I use Venezuela because it was the darling of the Socialist World tuned to crap before their very eyes

#16

Paradise revealed.

Amazing when capitalism (high oil prices) can no longer support the economy how the socialistic ideals fade and disappear to the dictatorship revealed.

Yet another example of how we do not learn from others mistakes.

Venezuela, NK, even the socialized healthcare in the UK with all the limitations (waiting, lines), some in the US still attempts to emulate the system.

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#17

Socialism will always revert to Dictatorship of some sort, because Socialism never works

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#18

Works until they run out of someone else money as they say.

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#19

Why isn’t the United States on your list?

  • Guaranteed public education

  • Public transportation

  • Fire departments

  • Police departments

  • Public libraries

  • Every branch of the US military

  • Roads and highways

  • Social Security

  • Medicare/Medicaid

  • Public, not private prisons and jails

  • Public hospitals

  • The Veterans Affairs Administration

  • Public universities

  • Public parks

  • Public toilets

  • Public drinking fountains

  • Public parking

  • Public (everything else I missed)

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#20

Seriously??? :roll_eyes: