Not World War III

Not my fault some of you can’t accept the truth and want to see everything as some sort of viscous Israeli plot to undermine the free world.

The Area and Theater Naval commanders screwed the pooch putting the ship in the danger zone after telling the Israelis we were withdrawing.

They screwed it again by not informing the Israelis the Liberty would be reversing course again approaching the Israeli coast.

Groud based artillery fire on a town in close proximity to the ship was confused with naval gunfire.

The Israelis reacted approprately launching aircraft and MTB’s to intercept.

After the first couple of passes the Pilot radioed back he thought it might be an American rather than Egyptian ship and withdrew.

The MTB squadron did not get that message and pressed forward with the attack.

The Liberty’s captain realized what was going on about the same time the MTB squadron commander started thinking it might be an American ship and started to break off the attack when one of the gun crews on the liberty began firing.

The boats then responded with a salvo of torpedoes.

Both sides made terrible mistakes causing unnecessary deaths but it was nothing but poor communication and a failure on our part to follow the existing deconfliction protocols.

It was a tragedy for sure but all friendly fire deaths are.

Both sides acknowledged their responsibility and errors and we moved on as allies.

Just the facts, sorry if they collide with your prejudice.

You are a disgrace. If you are an American, you should be ashamed. If you are an Israeli, I’m not surprised and I hope Iran nukes your country very soon.


The following is written by Joe Meadors, founder of the USS Liberty association, and one of the US servicemen who crewed the USS Liberty when it was purposefully attacked unprovoked without warning by the IDF 52 years ago. In 2010, Mr Meadors took part in the Flotila to Gaza. And he’s none too pleased about the water head retard zioshill Kirk calling him a liar:

Turning Point USA Founder Charlie Kirk Insults USS Liberty Survivors; His Audience Agrees

I don’t know anything about Charlie Kirk or Turning Point USA other than what I read on the internet. He founded a group that claims to advocate policies associated with the conservative side of the political spectrum.

I hope others in his organization or who share his political dogma don’t share his public disdain for American servicemen whose only crime is to be victims of Israeli War Crimes.

Are we overreaching to hope the people in his circle will publicly disavow Mr. Kirk’s position? From the reaction of his audience, we definitely are.

Like us, he readily takes advantage of the rights guaranteed in the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Unlike us, he doesn’t accept responsibility for what he says.

Nor does he accept responsibility for the damage done to those who are affected by his words.

by Joe Meadors

Open Letter to Charlie Kirk

Please Forward to Addressee

October 29, 2019

Mr. Charlie Kirk, Founder
Turning Point USA
4940 East Beverly Road
Phoenix, Arizona 85044

Dear Mr. Kirk:

In the video above you condemned as “Conspiracy Theorists” the officers and crew of the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) who survived the June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on our ship.

Since the term is only used as a pejorative, since nothing could be further from the truth, and since your use of the term is a direct insult to the sacrifice of 34 of our shipmates, the effort of those of us who survived the attack and the suffering of the families of our fallen shipmates, I am compelled to write.

Mr. Kirk, over 52 years ago our “best friend and only ally in the Middle East” attacked us without warning and without provocation while we were steaming in international waters on a lawful mission for the United States.

Over 52 years ago military elements belonging to our “best friend and only ally in the Middle East” jammed our radios on both US Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies.

Over 52 years ago unmarked aircraft belonging to our “best friend and only ally in the Middle East” attacked us without warning.

Over 52 years fighter aircraft from our “best friend and only ally in the Middle East” reported the correct nationality of the USS Liberty to their headquarters only to be told to begin their attack.

Over 52 years ago The White House ordered the Sixth Fleet to abandon us while we were still under attack by our “best friend and only ally in the Middle East” and calling for help.

Over 52 years ago attacking elements of our “best friend and only ally in the Middle East” departed the scene immediately after they ceased hostilities only to return 90 minutes later in an obvious attempt to claim they were coming to our help to drive off the forces attacking our ship.

Over 52 years ago the Commander in Chief, US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) ADM John S. McCain, Jr., signed a qualified endorsement to a US Navy Court of Inquiry Report that his Legal Advisor, Capt. Merlin Staring, recommend he not sign since it was replete with many gross errors.

Over 52 years ago the attack on the USS Liberty became the only attack on a US Navy ship since the end of World War II NOT to be the subject of a US government investigation. A mark that stands today despite the attacks on the USS Pueblo, USS Stark, and USS Cole all of which have been investigated by the US government. Likewise, the USS Vincennes incident and the bombing of the US Marine Barracks in Beirut have been investigated by the US government. Not so the attack on the USS Liberty.

For over 52 years USS Liberty survivors, our families and the families of our fallen shipmates have been waiting for the announcement that the US government has finally decided to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty.

Instead of being outraged at learning these facts about the attack on our ship as most patriotic Americans are, Mr. Kirk dismisses them as the rantings of a group of “Conspiracy Theorists.”

These are not baseless mutterings of a group of anti-Semitic bigots. Mr. Kirk.

These are proven facts being lived by the victims of Israeli War Crimes that were committed with the tacit approval and active participation of the United States government.

You can read them for yourself.

But you won’t. Said simply, you don’t give a damn about us. You don’t give a damn about the facts of the attack on our ship.

Your concern — and the concern of your audience — is for the forces who attacked us. For those who killed 34 of our shipmates.

34 Americans — like you.

34 Patriotic Americans — unlike you.

You’re in good company, Mr. Kirk.

That is the same concern repeatedly expressed by every Member of Congress for over 52 years.

What you will do is stand behind your microphone and insult the sacrifice of 34 Americans who were killed during the attack on the USS Liberty, the suffering of their families, and the effort of the survivors of the USS Liberty attack to ensure that attack is finally investigated by the US government.

We’re open to an apology from you, Mr. Kirk. But only if that apology is followed by a public and ongoing effort from you and your organization to ensure the US government conducts the investigation that has been denied the attack on the USS Liberty for over 52 years.

My email address is joe@ussliberty.com.

We hope you will agree that it was improper for you to single out a military unit for condemnation simply because we were attacked by our “best friend and only ally in the Middle East.”

Respectfully,

Joe Meadors, USS Liberty Survivor
Director of Operations
USS Liberty Veterans Association
P.O. Box 689275
Marietta, GA 30068
https://usslibertyveterans.org
https://usslibertyveterans.blog

https://www.usslibertyveterans.blog/2019/10/29/turning-point-usa-founder-charlie-kirk-insults-uss-liberty-survivors-his-audience-agrees/

I’m an American and proud to have served.

We were wrong, not the first time, and won’t be the last.

We intentionally put the ship in a no win situation and set them up to be hit by not following our deconfliction protocols that had long since been worked out with Israel before the conflict even began.

The ship was in international waters and it was recognized by Israeli pilots as an American ship. It wasn’t friendly fire, it was absolutely intentional and the friendly fire myth has been debunked countless times over.

Israeli pilot to IDF war room: This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Yes, follow orders.

Israeli pilot to IDF war room: But sir, it’s an American ship - I can see the flag!

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Never mind; hit it.

http://archive.is/pEbWW

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The “transcript” is a fabrication.

Excellent debunking work you’ve done. No source other than your personal disagreement, which is an opinion.

The book includes, among other things, a CIA document from November 1967 that is still partially censored. In the document, which is also on the official CIA website, an anonymous source is quoted as saying: “They said that [then-Israeli Defense Minister Moshe] Dayan personally ordered the attack on the ship, and that one of his generals adamantly opposed the action and said, ‘This is pure murder.’” There is no dispute about the authenticity of the document

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Great, produce a link to the documents from the official CIA and/or NSA websites.

You won’t find them because they don’t exist but by all means give it your best shot.

That took me all of three minutes. Jackass.

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Provide the actual link from the CIA or NSA source.

Here, now go stuff some matzah down your throat and STFU.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/0001359157

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Seriously “jackass”? You have an unsubstantiated “story” from an unidentified soruce claiming Dyann ordered the attack on the Liberty.

No transcript, and no details including whether or not he knew it was a US ship when ordering the attack.

You see what you want to see, and ingore the facts.

WTF are you talking about? Haaretz was the source and you have a copy of the CIA document and the link to the CIA site. Shill.

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It’s blacked out, the source is not identified and there’s nothing at all in there to substantiate the story.

Look at the kvetching! Holy shit! :rofl:

Second paragraph of the document. Plain as day for all to see and yet he denies it exists. We are reaching levels of kvetching never before seen.

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I read it, there is no named source and nothing to corroborate the claim unless you’re seeing something that simply isn’t there.

Bwahahahhahaa! Evidence from an official CIA Information Report is presented that pokes glaring holes in your parroting of the official Israeli narrative that they dindu nuffin…and now, all of a sudden, that source in and of itself is no longer good enough? lol

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Provide documentation that supports your claim of friendly fire.

The only thing official about it is that they reported what they’d been told by someone.

Nothing in the report names a source or provides any corroboration for what was said.

This is a transcription of some case agent’s notes and nothing more.

Sure it does. For some reason our government has kept that source redacted, over 50 years later.