Impeachment - Pro and Con

No, he’s actually about to clean house from the top down. They only targeted lower ranking minions who would not rubber stamp their constitutional abuses.

What a phony you are

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Do you want Trump removed from office, or merely impeached…

And Trump said some illegals are good people.

“They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”

A “solid” case? I think that would require further congressional investigations.

That’s a twisted fantasy unrelated to any actual facts.

Boy is that ever a case of exaggeration…:roll_eyes:

Uh no it isn’t! The argument can easily be defended! Try again little fella!

I genuinely hope that the House will impeach President Trump. That is because (1) The Senate could never muster the two-thirds vote (i.e. 67 votes) necessary to convict; and (2) this would surely energize the Republican base–practically ensuring (a) the re-election of Donald Trump, who would be seen as a sort of martyr; (b) making it likely that the GOP would expand its current 53-47 majority in the Senate; and © making it at least even odds that the GOP will retake the House in 2020.

Moreover, independents–who make up a large part of the American electorate–would surely see this as an overreach, and pure partisanship.

So, please–please!–do impeach.

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Nixon had a far higher JAR (57%) at the time that impeachment hearings began, slowly the evidence persuaded more and more republicans. When he resigned (to avoid the inevitable) he was low to mid 20’s.

It is possible to posit that impeachment hearings would drive down Donald Trump’s approval ratings, just as they did with Richard Nixon.

Still, it does seem rather unlikely to me, as Donald Trump has a loyal base, which is not likely to be persuaded to abandon him. (Whether it is wise to be impervious to all evidence is another matter. I am merely stating what the facts on the ground are.)

Moreover, Trump’s approval rating is already rather low–somewhere in the 40s, I believe–so it is not likely to go significantly lower.

His base in congress is not as loyal as that across America, and if impeachment inquiries produce the evidence of obstruction that committee members insist is there, then just as with the Nixon hearings, more republicans in Congress could come on board.

Anyway, I’m just saying that his support won’t necessarily stop Dems from beginning proceedings as it certainly didn’t stop them on a president with a far higher JAR.

I find it hillarious that some folks are comparing Nixon to Trump’s situation

First thing in Nixon’s case there was evidence and he really was gulity , compared to Trump where accusations from the media was made, which kicked off this whole witch hunt.

The media and their hatred of Trump fueled this.

They said he was guilty of Collusion, and they rejoiced when Mueller came on board and they said they certain Mueller the experience guy and former head of the FBI would find something and nail Trump’s ass to the wall

2 years later and 40 million dollars, Mueller found squat, and instead of saying well I found no evidence beyond a reasonable doubt he gave his stupid fucking opinion hoping that the House would pick it up and run with it.

He reported, he couldn’t use “collusion” as its not a legal idiom, then he couldn’t use “coordination” as there wasn’t any

Then it was Conspiracy, he claimed he couldn’t find any and then it boils down to potential obstruction of justice, and this is what the Democratic House members are resting their hopes on?

How is this the same as the smoking gun (tapes) that brought Nixon down?

If Mueller couldn’t find any conspiracy how is firing Comey which is within his right considered Obstruction of justice?

I don’t think that’s a positive on ones resume’

Well, it was for Bill Clinton…

His job approvals were the highest after impeachment, but that doesn’t mean the two had any relationship to one another. Clinton was clearly the most popular president (based upon JAR) of any president since Truman.

Impeachment means nothing, Nixon did okay after he resigned
between his books, speaking tours, he cashed in

When you’re an Ex president many doors are open no matter what the public thinks of you.

Trump may have the worst approval rating ever, but when he leaves office he will be just a footnote because the current president will be in the spotlight to deflect, and Trump will be just another Ex president who can command big bucks for his books, speeches, and endorsements

Could be that Nixon actually broke the law and clearly Trump has not.

No, I would not wish to be guilty of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (after it, therefore because of it).

But it seems fair to say that impeachment clearly did not have a detrimental effect upon Bill Clinton’s popularity.

Yes sir I agree with that but would suggest to you that Americans viewed a lie to congress about what should have been a private matter and nobody’s business save Hillary’s, and a matter of a president obstructing justice when he is being investigated for criminal activity, differently…:wink: