Brexit Betrayal

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#201

Sorry Don can’t visit at the present he’s waiting for Nans to decide if she wants to keep the government closed for the next 2 years.


#202

#203

This is magic - The law of unintended consequences?


#204

Squeezing out the leave with no deal options…

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#205

I still think it was planned this way and May is only doing what she is told.
Look at what she said yeaterday - I’m much more confident we will leave with no deal now.

Theresa May spent another two hours and 20 minutes at the Despatch Box in the Commons yesterday afternoon updating MPs on the Government’s position in the wake of her deal being rejected last week and what stood out above all was her opposition to the holding of another referendum. She solemnly warned that it “could damage social cohesion by undermining faith in our democracy”.

The Prime Minister refused to rule out a no-deal Brexit and explained that she would not countenance revoking Article 50 as that “would go against the referendum result”. And to those calling for an extension to the Article 50 period as a way of avoiding a no-deal Brexit on 29th March - the default option, lest we forget - she advised: “This is not ruling out no deal, but simply deferring the point of decision. And the EU are very unlikely simply to agree to extend Article 50 without a plan for how we are going approve a deal.”


#206

The UK has not ever been a successful and self sustaining nation state. It was a successful and self sustaining empire when it controlled the sea lanes. Leaving the EU does not recreate the empire (thank goodness).


#207

The EU has been pretty clear that what they’ve given May is all that they can and will give until after GB actually exits. A final status, the trade arrangements that will continue into the indefinite future between GB and the EU, was never going to be negotiable in just the year between notice and exit. It will take many years, and will have to happen in stages.

I’m sure that many of the 27 don’t particularly want crash exit because their own businesses and industries are counterparties to the disaster that will engulf GB, but that dislocation pain will be spread over many member nations, and these nations have other EU members to redirect their trade to as buffers against the disrupted trade with GB. The only people in GB who want crash exit are those who imagine that the rest of the world is so dependent on GB that of course they will fall all over themselves to keep the present arrangements going. What these idiots don’t acknowledge is that this feature of the May plan is the only way to accomplish this, that only if GB continues to be bound by all the environmental , safety, etc, regulations of the EU, will it be able to continue to trade with no borders. GB can’t have independence from EU bureaucrats even after Brexit, because those same bureaucrats and their same rules will govern what they let into the EU from GB even after Exit. This isn’t the 1830s, and the EU is not like China falling apart in the waning days of the Qing Dynasty.

That’s the problem as the 27 see it. There are idiots in GB who still think the sun never sets on their empire. Fat chance the EU will coddle that nonsense. If it takes a crash exit to teach the lesson, they will just have to let GB do that to itself.


#208

With the exception of Germany, the UK is one of the most successful countries in Europe, the 2nd/3rd largest NET contributor to the EU coffers, the 5th largest economy in the World and one of the best countries in the World to establish a business. As to the self sustaining part of your comment, when you can successfully trade, that is not always a priority. 90% of World trade is outside the EU

Leaving the EU is not about recreating the Empire, far from it. The UK voted for return of UK democracy, sovereignty of UK parliament, supremacy of UK law, control of UK borders, the freedom to trade Worldwide (including the EU) on our own terms, but more than anything, it was a rejection of unaccountable unelected EU government


#209

I hope these people trying to stop Brexit, and tie the PM’s hands lose their seats in the next general election.

I’m sure we will get Brexit, I just don’t know when.

Politicians have lost the plot, don’t seem to understand that they are there to serve.


#210

LMAO at the two morons above carting out ridiculous references to the British empire. I’ve not meet a single Leave voter expecting to resurrect the British empire you dumbasses. Who exactly are you arguing with then?


#211

What these idiots don’t acknowledge is that this feature of the May plan is the only way to accomplish this, that only if GB continues to be bound by all the environmental , safety, etc, regulations of the EU, will it be able to continue to trade with no borders. GB can’t have independence from EU bureaucrats even after Brexit, because those same bureaucrats and their same rules will govern what they let into the EU from GB even after Exit. This isn’t the 1830s, and the EU is not like China falling apart in the waning days of the Qing Dynasty.

Who the fuck is arguing for this strawman on the Brexit side?

Trade, by the very definition of the word, is an exchange between two or more parties.

It’s very easy to sound clever when you are debating a hypothetical person with hypothetical views.

Get real?


#212

That all may be true but it’s the EU that is trying to create an Empire not UK and we will only be the first(of many) to leave, Germany will be next when they realise how much its gonna cost them.
And we will leave on 29th March - it’s written in law now - the only question is whether we leave with no deal or May’s deal. As May’s deal is a dead parrot - welcome to WTO rules.
What I don’t understand is how come the rest of the world manages to survive without joining the EU but we gonna crash and burn when we leave?.


#213

The largest NET contributors are the ones who will feel the most pain and they are the ones we do most trade with. The rest of the countries are NET receivers from the EU and for the most part, toilet economies. The UK does not need to trade with no borders and certainly does not need to align itself to the EU environmental, safety regulations, it is more than capable of doing a better job than the EU.

The EU is failing and especially the Eurozone, or have you not being paying attention to France, parts of Germany, Italy, Greece, Spain, Hungary, Austria, Poland, Czech Rep, Slovakia etc?


#214

Because they’re shit scared what we can do when given freedom to do what the hell we like. They have to try to stop us any desperate way they can.


#215

They are trying to change when we leave, several private member bills today trying to amend the law.


#216

Every time the deadline approaches, it will get extended, then eventually we get so used to staying in, they will sneak something through that will tie us in permanently and you won’t hear of that!


#217

And with that little tie in will be another tie in to prevent the UK from ever leaving.


#218

Canadian Finance Minister Bill Morneau, At WEF Davos, Says Canada Standing Ready To Have Talks With UK, Irrespective Of Outcome Of Brexit- Reuters TV


#219

Irish Central Bank Says Disorderly Brexit Could Reduce Growth Rate Of Irish Economy By Up To 4 Percentage Points In First Full Year Irish Central Bank Says Disorderly Brexit Could Lower 2019 GDP Growth To 1.5 Pct


#220

Little twerp at it again.