Are We On the Brink of Revolt?

So if you’re read on this, then hopefully your a voice of opposition to it. Because while it’s a financial benefit to the few, it’s a drain on the average American, AND according to a number of think tanks (which you’ve acknowledged the value of) the UN and the Pentagon, the US led WOT (war on terror) has caused an increase in Islamic extremism, an increase in global terrorism, and a record global refugee crisis. And then of course there’s the wasted blood and treasure.

I’ll agree with your assessment of the aircraft carrier. And to boot, China has developed an aircraft carrier killer missile.

China has inducted the world’s first operational anti-ship ballistic missile , a " carrier killer" capable of carrying both conventional and nuclear warheads, known as the DF-21D. In 2010, it was reported that China had entered the DF-21D into its early operational stage for deployment.

I also agree with you that it would be nice if we all just got along and didn’t have to waste Human Resources on war, but that is PolyAnna. However, there is a huge difference between legitimate defensive capabilities, and the offensive nature of our military post WW2, and the expansion of permanent military bases all about the world. It’s my opinion that our military prowess and adventurism is the very thing that compromises our national security, but in a permanent war economy, that’s the point I’m afraid.

Yes, and yes.

In the next war, the last place I would want to be is surrounded by hot iron, giving off radio-frequencies across the EM spectrum, and moving at 20 knots on a broad flat surface with almost nothing else around me that would look, to a moderately-well-programmed target acquisition system guiding a supersonic missile, like me. Even if I were moving at 1500 knots at 3000 meters, it would be dodgy.

If I were Trump,I would cancel plans for all such new toys, put as much money as needed into new high-tech defensive systems, and employ a few hundred thousand construction workers on a massive Civil Defense program, building fallout shelters.

We give billions of dollars to places like Pakistan, spend hundreds of millions every year on ‘Africa Command’, and still haven’t found a way to make the Iraqis love each other. We sail ships of the Seventh Fleet back and forth off China’s shores and wonder why they get irritated. Pointless.

We should sit down quietly with China and offer a deal: (1) We leave the Korean Peninsula.
(2) Two variants. They choose 2a or 2b. 2a – they, with our tacit blessing, arrange for a terrible accident to happen to the Kim dynasty, and for one of their assets there to take charge and sell their nukes to China. or 2b we sell a few dozen nukes with delivery systems to the South Koreans. Either way, we’re going home.

And something similar to Japan, after we explain to the Japanese that they really should study the Rape of Nanking very closely, let their leaders get down on their hands and knees and crawl from Nanking to Beijing and ask forgiveness from the Chinese people for what they did there.

And then turn that stupid island both of them have been quarrelling over to that poor autistic girl from Sweden for a new environmentally-friendly home base. Oh yes, nukes for Taiwan, unless the Chinese acknowledge the Right of Self-Determination for the place – in fifty years when China has the highest GDP in the world the Taiwanese will be begging to re-join so it’s not worth fighting over. Eiher way, we’re coming home.

We’re finding such common ground Doug!!! :sunglasses:

I agree on the monies in foreign aid that we provide. Specific needs like a natural disaster, invasion, epidemic outbreak etc, I’m all about, but these regularly reoccurring payments strike me more as control money than anything.

Yes on leaving the Korean Peninsula and Japan. :+1:

Fair point. Trump was pointing out today how much we’ve blown just in Afghanistan building hospitals and other infrastructure.

If we’d spent that at home ya think maybe we’d have been a bit better prepared for this outbreak?

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The problem is it likely would have been spent on pork.

Politicians certainly wouldn’t have saved it and everyone knows we need more pork.

As the Democrats would say on a daily basis:

“That’s not all folks!”

It seems that they want to turn this country AGAINST what the Forefathers had wanted. And it’s ashame that these nutbags keep getting voted in. It’s time to “clean House!”

No argument there. Congress has just become a source of unlimited money for contributors.

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That’s been the case since the sixties.

The problem is that the sixties radicals became the governing class of the Democratic Party starting in the late eighties and it continues to this day.

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We see you wetting those red panties you wear . :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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No one wants a civil war, but the Leftists have nearly shredded the Constitution and divided society along racial lines with their Allies in the press.The present administration has weaopnized government agencies to quash dissent at school board meetings with parents labeled as Domestic Terrorists and created a HIT LIST Bill ,passed by the HOUSE with the cooperation of traitorous Reps to have ALL vaxers on a list . Of course, the government wouldn’t violate the confidentiality clause in the bill to share the information with other government agencies.Since they know who is vaxed, it’s easy to find out who isn’t and set AG Spanky McFarland on them.

It’s not smart for patriots to talk about “civil war”. We live in a democratic republic. It’s not perfect – and there never has been and never will be a perfect democratic republic, because of the way human beings are. Christians call it “original sin” and I’ll go along with them on that.

It has been a remarkably successful country, not least in its ability to absorb tribal groups, overcome historic injustices, and provide a decent life for all who are willing to work for it.

It has also been the mainstay of democratic liberties in the world. Yes, and at the same time, it’s been colonialist and imperialist. Marxists would call its dual nature a ‘contradiction’ – but one that has tended to fade with time. The people of its main colony, Puerto Rico, don’t want to leave. And literally tens, hundreds, of millions of people all over the world are willing to spend their entire savings, and risk their lives, for the chance of getting here.

So anyone who wants to radically alter this situation, and roll the dice on getting something better is a … well, let’s say they lack a central conservative value, prudence, as well as judgement.

However … nothing lasts forever. We have seen a deep sea-change in the attitude of our ruling elite, especially its younger generations, towards this country. Namely, to put it baldly, many of them despise it. They certainly despise its bottom half, whom they consider their social inferiors.

[Incidentally, this change is reflected in the majority of the people who consider themselves ‘progressives’ or ‘socialists’: the old Left saw the working class – of all colors, and with all its backward consciousness (from the Marxist viewpoint) as the liberator of humanity. The modern Left has utter contempt for them.]

It’s not unusual in history for the ‘cultural apparatus’ of a country to despise it, and want a radical change: pre-revolutionary France, pre-revolutionary Russia, and pre-revolutionary China were like this.

A large section of the European intelligentsia during most of the 20th Century, despised their own countries, and sought to remodel them with the Soviet Union as exemplar.

But for a large segment of the ruling elite – not just the teachers and professors and other brain-workers – to move away from fundamental loyalty towards their own country is, in my knowledge, unprecedented.

I have no explanation for this phenomenon, although I have a few ideas about its possible cause. If anyone else does, please tell me. (But don’t say, “It’s all George Soros’ fault”.)

And, just to complicate matters, this is taking place alongside – perhaps influenced by – two unstoppable trends: the rise of Communist China, which will relatively soon surpass the US in economic and military strength, and the decline of the economic power, and wealth, of the ‘traditional’ working class.

So we don’t know what’s coming. Today was like yesterday and tomorrow will probably be like today … but to do an indefinite linear projection of this sequence would be to ignore history.

Therefore, the prudent thing for patriots to do is to prepare.

Prepare for what?

For a breakdown in the social/civil/legal/economic order, from whatever cause. It might be temporary (depending on your viewpoint, every disaster is temporary, even if it lasts for a century); it might be partial, and/or geographically limited: the riots of 2020, when the civil power retreated in the face of a mob which felt it had the moral authority to burn down buildings, is an example.

But whatever, the wise citizen will enable himself to ‘sit it out’ for a few months, if necessary.

But … a hundred isolated households, no matter how well prepared – even with every house surrounded by razor wire and guarded with camouflaged Claymore mines – will be far, far weaker than a hundred households that have formed an organization, trained, set up a command structure, taken advantage of the division of labor and assigned people to the various roles that are normal in conflict situations: intel, comms, security, logistics, transport, engineering, medical, and, in the current situation, legal and public relations.

(About the only plus from our recent foreign wars is that as a result of them we have a fair number of veterans, who would play key roles in a community defense team.)

That’s the sort of organization we need. Not a ‘militia’, and not overtly political: open to all patriots, regardless of tribal heritage, and regardless of their formal political beliefs.

We have some embryonic examples in a few places, but nothing like what we need.

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You should watch this video and reconsidered your views as it pertains to current discourse of Patriots who think the country is under siege. No time in history have we ever been faced with such an evil that their own Government would betray them. Its not just an American problem but a world-wide phenomenon.

https://youtu.be/HUX9LqA3bGY

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Please understand, I am NOT saying “There will be no civil war in America”. No one knows the future, and I do not believe the United States is somehow exempt from the sort of social fractures that have plunged other countries into civil war.

However, since we do NOT know what is coming, we face the questions: what should patriots do NOW?

I believe that they should, of course re-double their efforts to regain power for pro-American forces. In the current situation, this means supporting, mainly, Republicans, where the choice is between a Republican patriot – however flawed – and a Democrat who is happy to let the far left progressives in his party have more and more influence, or is even one himself.

But we should be doing that whatever the future holds, even if we were sure that nothing serious is over the horizon.

We may eventually be driven out of the democratic electoral process by force, but we must not abandon it voluntarily.

What we must ALSO be doing, in my opinion, is forming Community Support Groups: that is organizing with like-minded people to form local organizations that can provide an informed, effective response to whatever may come their way: a tornado, a flood, a mass epidemic of real leathality, a collapse of the economy, a riot which the police cannot or are ordered not to handle, or an attempt at insurrection by impatient hard-line Leftists.

I’m NOT talking about a ‘militia’, which is an over-used term, and covers a wide range of groups: from barely sane disturbed individuals (plus an FBI informant or two), to people who are essentially doing what I think should be done, but still using that unpolitic word to describe themselves.

For an example of people who, I believe, have got it basically right, look at the group formed by some former Oathkeepers in Arizona: the Yavapai Community Protection Team: https://YCPT.org

Calling yourself a ‘militia’ is to paint a bulls-eye on your chest.

I haven’t watched that video yet, but I will.

As for it being a “world-wide” problem, I am sure you are right. For nearly the last two centuries, the peoples of the world have been pulled closer and closer together, via the combination of technological advance, and economic growth. No nation is an island, entire of itself, any more.

However, I do not think I have any profound understanding of what is happening. I’m waiting for a conservative Karl Marx to pull all the data together and explain where we’re going.

Two more points:

(1) There are things which are believed, and not said. There are things which are said, and not done. And there are things which are done, and not said.

(2) Apropos an argument you were having with someone here regarding Mr Trump: you go to war with the army you’ve got.

That’s a very true statement… especially where gov’t. is concerned.

Our problem is that we grew up in a free society, and still act as if we are living in one. We need to learn some lessons from people who were struggling for liberty in not-so-free societies.

Many countries are not-so-free, now, and in the past. That is, they are not North Koreas … you can dissent, but you have to be careful how you do it. Even in Cuba, or China, you can be a sort-of dissident. But you have to watch your step.

We are nowhere near the Cuban or even the Singaporean situation at the moment, although the direction of motion is clear.

Above all, patriots need to know where the legal lines are, with respect to saying and writing things that may feel good, may release anger, but could get you into prison.

There is a young man right beginning a four-year prison sentence for some foolish things he wrote on Facebook. He’s an anarchist, and hates patriots – but he is the victim of injustice, and all patriots should be calling for his release.

More about his case here:

Florida Anarchist Imprisoned for Online Posts Prompted by Jan. 6 Riot
To See the Danger of a Domestic “War on Terror,” Look No Further Than This Florida Case

Exactly what “legal lines”? This is still America, even though it doesn’t feel like it right now. There should be nothing that is said that could/would land one in prison. If that is not the case… this is no longer America.

I don’t think there will be a civil war per say, but more like lines drawn between red and predominantly Blue states where the power of commerce will be what is at stake for each state. We are seeing it now when it comes to mandates and constitutional arguments.

Not sure what Patriots should do, however the ideological lines are hard drawn ones in the color red will be hard to overcome, especially when the Democratic party AKA the Progressive’s move to the far left where the concepts of Marxism is embraced. However this is not a movement within the US alone, but a Global construct in which consolidation of power in order to usher in a Global system of governance is at play. I posted an article about the Global construct here which is an excellent read if you have the time.

See also the movement of Central banks to go cashless and usher in a Crypto currency system in 2022

When the ruling class wants to use Big Tech to silence its dissenters and federalize the election process where non citizens get to vote and oppose Voter ID then its hard to have faith in a system designed to give every American citizen a voice. In others words the Democratic party as we know it today is blatantly violating the constitution and average citizen’s rights.

I agree, it all starts at the local level anyway, and we are slowly heading in that direction. Because I am Native American, I guess I have an out because we already have those communities for when the time comes to defend them, and I not under the purview of the Federal Governments Jurisdictions. Getting out of the big cities is the best decision that an individual can do for themselves and family.

Remove the political fake monikers and you get a basic person only concerned about doing what needs to be done to survive without their emotions being Hi-jacked with Hyperbole designed to incite division.

This I agree. I like your earlier reference of “Communities” than a word like Militia to describe people whose desire is to operate on a higher moral ground with a genuine discourse for the basic tenets of human freedoms. The Dogma machine of Left vs. Right is only a mechanism to keep people divided under false pretenses. They wave the carrot of free things to keep people hoping that this progressive promise of awarding the basic necessities of life such as what they have in certain parts of Europe will improve humanity’s plight in America. Trading in individualism for collectivism is a CCP construct in which the elite support. Why? Because it insures the elite’s hold on power while the rest get starved into compliance.

Oh I know I am right about this issue. One only has to look at places like Australia, Germany, Austria, New Zealand where Totalitarian Dictators are on the rise and serve as the beta test for the rest of the world while using this fake pandemic as a convenient excuse to implement such policies.

A conservative Karl Marx? That sounds like a oxymoron if I ever heard one.

Its how I view a MMA fighter who goes about his business in society when not in the ring and has to to do the normal functions of the commoner such as grocery shopping, driving a car, or other normal activities that the rest of us do. They don’t go boasting who they are, about their fighting abilities and are humble enough to avoid confrontation at all costs. They are confident that they can subdue certain threats, however I am speaking strictly in metaphorical terms because when you know certain things, the more important strategy is thinking of ways to use that knowledge when communication of said truths can reach its targeted audience on the most of simple terms. Its all about “Hearts and Minds” which has always been the strategy of most Political animals.

More to you point this last quote, yes, for not adhering to this philosophy is giving the game away. Always playing your cards close to the vest is probably in most instances the MO of those who smartly negotiate their way through life. Silence is wisdom’s ultimate manifestation.

I would argue on your earlier reference about America being a Democratic Republic to which I say its more a Constitutional Representative Republic more than anything, and there is distinctions between the two terms.

This!

I have never really considered myself a “Republican”. I hate the names for political parties. I’d like to do away with them. I have always called myself a Constitutionalist… which I believe all Americans should be, at least in theory.

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