A New Trump Executive Order May Make More Health Care Prices Public

[sooner]

@DMK

Perhaps they would if they knew the prices. Perhaps they would if they knew they could save thousands by putting in some effort.

So when someone gets in a car accident, will the EMTs provide a menu of services offered? What if the person isn’t conscious and can’t choose from the menu?

@DMK

Why do you suppose that they only get paid about half and the cost of your procedure isn’t posted? They are raping the self pays and the insured to cover the cost of the uninsured. Go to an ER and it is absolutely full of illegals. Someone has to pay for that. That would be … er YOU. Not so fun to share YOUR wealth with the less fortunate is it. Yep, you can set a payment plan up for the next 20 years while someone else skates away free of charge.

That problem wouldn’t exist if we went to patient based care. Since we both agree that is a problem why not come up with a solution that covers everyone? Doesn’t that seem more practical?

@DMK

We all worry about what poor health will cause us financially. However, there is no right provided by the government not to worry.

Why do you want to take from someone “rich” to redistribute to the poor? Have you happened to notice the mass migration from states that tax too much to redistribute to the poor to other states that don’t?

I think it was Martin Luther King who said 'socialism for the wealthy and rugged individualism for the poor" - unless you are one of the global elites you are arguing against your own interests.

[Dr_Manhattan]

Well people here already provided ample content to your question, you just don’t like the answer!

Let’s try this another way shall we?

Do you like whales and Wolves?

[DMK]

That is not the point of making prices public.

If you cannot afford treatment for your child then you should be able to qualify for medicaid.

If you don’t qualify, then you are one of the “rich” that is going to be soaked to pay for someone else… even if you don’t see yourself as being “rich”.

[sooner]

@DMK

If you don’t qualify, then you are one of the “rich” that is going to be soaked to pay for someone else… even if you don’t see yourself as being “rich”.

If I’m not mistaken I believe the threshold for not being eligible for Medicaid is $26,000 per year. That sounds awfully rich to me.

Would you rather people just not work instead?

[supperhey]

@sooner

So when someone gets in a car accident, will the EMTs provide a menu of services offered? What if the person isn’t conscious and can’t choose from the menu?

Ah, bc an person in a car accident somehow recovers stupider than he is before the accident. If price for the surgery is transparent, the hospital charges no more, no less, or gets sued.

And you really think people prioritize choices over immediacy in life-or-death situation?

[sooner]

@supperhey

And you really think people prioritize choices over immediacy in life-or-death situation?

People do it every single day. Go find a cancer patient without health insurance.

[supperhey]

@sooner

People do it every single day.

You are really equating a car accident patient to a cancer patient to prove what again? Look up the word “immediacy”, and brush up your resume / training as well if you think $26k a year is “awfully rich” to you. Reading comprehension and a working vocabulary help.

[CriticalThinker]

You Trump supporters are just not getting it.

This EO means absolutely nothing. The price differentials between providers don’t really mean a damn thing to patients; you either have insurance or you don’t (and therefore can’t afford treatment period)

[NukeAfrica]

She should learn to code.

[montecresto1]

@Roxiebell

I’m not big on demonizing our Pharma companies because I don’t want to destroy them to the point where we have depend on our meds from Mexico or China!

That I could agree with you on…

[DMK]

The logic of free enterprise, supply and demand has gone to the typical emotional/histrionic based crutch, grasping at straw, last resort:

@sooner

I did learn though that conservatives want single mothers and children to die without healthcare. Sad.

And, so it comes full circle that critical thinking and merit based arguments to actually solve problems simply cannot be made with liberals.

[sooner]

@supperhey

You are really equating a car accident patient to a cancer patient to prove what again?

To be fair the car accident victim has a slight edge because automobile insurance will cover their injuries whereas the cancer patient doesn’t have insurance so the price is irrelevant.

@supperhey

training as well if you think $26k a year is “awfully rich” to you.

I don’t think that $26,000 a year is a lot of money. I was facetiously replying to @DMK. Try not to take things so literally.

[sooner]

Nice way to twist and contort a tongue in cheek response.

Now try explaining to me how this executive order is going to lower the cost of healthcare.

[FiredUpDem]

When does the average person look up medical facilities for prices before getting sick? And what do you ask for anyway? “How much is the doctor’s price?” “What is the cost of the onsite aspirin”, etc… ?

Who calls different pharmacies to compare prescription prices!?

This is a useless executive order!

[noonm]

@sooner

That problem wouldn’t exist if we went to patient based care. Since we both agree that is a problem why not come up with a solution that covers everyone? Doesn’t that seem more practical?

Hmmm?

Wouldn’t allowing state and federal government agencies (Medicare, Medicaid, etc) to negotiate pricing as Canada does be more effective?

If it’s really cost reductions and not profit increases they seek that would be a good place to start.

[DMK]

@sooner

So when someone gets in a car accident, will the EMTs provide a menu of services offered? What if the person isn’t conscious and can’t choose from the menu?

Don’t be silly. Clearly, making prices public is about being able to gather information and make informed decisions.

Now, if you’d like to choose not to be insured and suffer a catastrophic injury, well that decision is yours to make, it is not? You’ll still be treated. Can you site any instance of an EMT rifling through your belongings and if not finding an insurance card leaving you to rot in your car?

@sooner

That problem wouldn’t exist if we went to patient based care. Since we both agree that is a problem why not come up with a solution that covers everyone? Doesn’t that seem more practical?

Care is patient based. No one is turned away for treatment in an ER. However, if not in an ER would you not like to know that you could save thousands by shopping prices?

@sooner

I think it was Martin Luther King who said 'socialism for the wealthy and rugged individualism for the poor" - unless you are one of the global elites you are arguing against your own interests.

Actually, it is the interests of people like “you” I argue FOR. I am not a globalist elite. I am an individualist and I strongly believe in people, not government to make the best decisions on their health. I also believe in personal responsibility, family to help and community to help. Not an uncaring, impersonal government.

[aaron]

The reason why you are able to do that is because up front medical pricing was already a part of the Affordable Care Act.

Trump did nothing here.

[aaron]

@DMK

I also believe in personal responsibility, family to help and community to help. Not an uncaring, impersonal government.

Yes - when a loved one gets sick let’s burden our families with multi-generational healthcare debt loads instead of tasking our government and our civil servants to negotiate prices directly with the healthcare and drug companies.

[DMK]

Darling? At 26 K per year you are making $12.50 per hour on a 40 hour work week. If that is all you can muster for yourself then I’d suggest you get yourself your own business.

My maid just bought a brand new house, nicer than mine, but she’s worked her ass off for it and my hat is off to her.

Grow the hell up. No one owes you a damn thing and you sure as hell are not going to rob people like me or my maid, both of of us who work our asses off so you can “not have to worry”.

[DMK]

Well, there is a nice broad brush. You either can or cannot afford treatment. No inbetween.

How about, you gamble and not buy insurance only to find out you needed it.

How about, you buy insurance and have enough money set aside for the deductible if you need it? Oh, gosh. Even worse. You invest the money for the deductible so that it grows and can also cover the co-pays?

Oh dear…now we have personal responsibility in play…Can’t have that can we?