Weather is not climate

We still have our natural mountain reservoirs, streams and rivers due to annual snow melt and rain.

The number one export of the US is agricultural products. We produce more food today in the US than has ever been produced before in History.

We import fresh fruits and vegetables mainly so we’re not limited to fresh produce only during our growing season.

The two combine to provide the US with the largest variety of fresh foods in the world and at prices other countries envy.

Today is not the issue. Tomorrow is the issue.

Are you in agriculture? Why not go ask ask a farmer in Iowa how their soy, corn and wheat crops fared this season.

Again…where do you live and what do you eat? I’m interested to learn where you get your food.

:notes: and amber waves of grain :notes:

I wonder if tRumpleThinSkin will send FEMA aid to California now that the Reagunz Library is in jeopardy? I’ve been there…not too many leaves to be raked in that area.

I love these charts. It implies that they can estimate the temperature to the nearest 0.01 degree, which is an extreme exaggeration with most ways of measuring temperature directly, like a real good thermometer or thermocouple. These people call themselves scientists and then produce stuff like this that would get you an “F” in a serious science class.

I’ll bet that the real accuracy of these temperature estimates is no better than the nearest ten degrees.

My family has been in agriculture for well over a hundred years.

US Soybean production by year.

Of course a lot of farmers chose alternative crops this year due to the trade war so lower production was expected.

Same with corn, a slight dip.

Much of that was due to the cutting of the ethanol subsidy.

Beef production?

Record year in the making.

Pork production? Heading for a record year as well.

Poultry production?

Three consecutive record years in a row with similar growth projected for 2019.

https://www.uspoultry.org/economic_data/

Similar growth in fruit and nut along with vegetable production.

Has Newsome declared a disaster and applied for federal aid?

leaves are not the issue, excessive tree and undergrowth is the issue.

If you don’t keep it under control it tends to explode when it gets dry.

I’ve no idea.

Has tRump offered it?

Bully. Mine has been in since 1760 as far as we know. So what?

My question was what do YOU do? Not your cousins cousins cousins cousin.

How close are YOU to the land?

You don’t seem to understand how this works.

To get federal disaster aid the first step is for the Governor to declare an emergency and request it. That’s how the Federal system works.

The federal gov’t cannot step in without the governor taking the first steps.

You asked and I answered. Farming and cattle currently, farming, cattle and swine production from the forties through the late eighties.

I grew up farming and ranching and still have my own herd.

what breed and where? You live on the land do you?

Brangus and Angus x Simbrah F1 hybrids.

My backyard is a little over 600 acres the rest of the place is a might bigger.

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Almost a section then. What is a Brangus?

We had Herefords before switching to Angus in the sixties. I hated the dam beeves almost as much as I hated the chickens. I remember too many frigid Oklahoma mornings when i was made to saddle up and chase down some dan cow that had crossed the South Canadian River into Mr. Adcocks pastures.

I now have two hundred thirty acres of wine grapes and farm vegetables in California’s Central and Salinas Valleys. The food we grow here will not produce north of Sacramento.

No, the backyard is a little over a section, the rest of the place is several times that.

You’re from OK and don’t know what a Brangus is and claim to have grown up on a ranch? I’ll call BS on your whole story.

At best you’re a hobby farmer that hires it all done.

The “food you can’t grow north of Sacramento” won’t grow there because of the cool temps and elevation.

I left the farm for service in Vietnam in 1966. And I never heard of “Brangus” back then.

Ours was not a ranch, it was, as I said, a farm. Do you understand the difference? Are you capable or willing to read for comprehension?

Yep. We hire somewhere north of two hundred a season in California and my wife’s brother manages it onsite. I hire exceptional migrant labor to help farm our Oregon Vineyards. And that’s where we live onsite. I make the vineyard decisions along with winemakers depending on the variables of each season. It takes brains and reliable workers to make great wine.

My cousins still farm the family farm in Oklahoma and are pretty progressive. They capture methane for use in the implements.

Do you?

I was building methane digesters in the third world in the 90’s as part of my masters work.

We’re free range here not running cow lots so there’s very little concentrated manure to work with.

You’re not a farmer or a grower, you’re a hobby farm manager.

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Yah, I’m a retired military guy who likes to get his hands dirty and drive tractors and shit.

Call it what you will, I feed people.

The US is so far behind the Dutch in agricultural innovation it’s not anywhere near funny. The Dutch grow more food with less water than any other nation known to me.

We would be wise to take lessons from the Dutch and build, even on smaller scales, the same environment controlled grow sites for various plant foods.

Our farmers depend on nature and irrigation for the use of excess quantities of water to keep food growing.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/09/holland-agriculture-sustainable-farming/

That one paragraph should be enough to justify the building of greenhouses all over the US.

Rainwater can be captured and stored. Evaporation can be controlled. Artificial lighting can utilized to manipulate growing cycles. Insects can be controlled.

We are STUPID not to follow their lead!

? The Dutch are great farmers and practice “scientific agriculture” but they average over 30" annual rainfall and have significant irrigation from both rivers and both above ground and surface reservoirs with a generally mild climate overall.

I spent a good bit of time there in the 80’s’ and 90’s working with the Dutch Military and we have imported thousands of Dutch Farmers and Dairymen to Texas and California as part of a basing agreement we have with them.

You should see what they did for S. Africa if you want to see amazing innovation.

I said nothing to indicate that the Dutch do not use conventional outdoor farming techniques involving dependency on rainfall, irrigation and natural sunlight. It is their innovations regarding greenhouse farming that should be widely implemented here in the US.

Reading the article reveals the tremendous number of cooperative programs involving other countries and the Dutch participation in assisting them in increasing productivity and reducing costs.

My point is that we should be building greenhouses rather than plowing fields. Even greenhouses on tops of existing buildings make sense to me.

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We’ve also come up with some of the most advanced greenhouses and greenhouse techniques in the world here in the US.

Much of it is a direct offshoot from the space program.