Trump to declare emergency over wall

He is keeping it civil, and I have nothing better to do. :slight_smile:

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Correctionā€¦ LW and RW talking points. This was bipartisan after all. Here is where they increased border security:

Border barriers

  • $1.375 billion in funds, all for projects in the Rio Grande Valley. sounds like an increase to me
  • This would fund 55 miles of barriers, partly on land and partly on levees because of what is left there.
  • Those barriers canā€™t be built in several parks or nature reserves, including the National Butterfly Center.
  • The Department of Homeland Security must consult with several small cities that are in line for new fencing about designs ā€” at least until Sept. 30, 2019.

Border/customs agents

  • Funds 200 border patrol agents who were hired earlier this year.
  • Does not fund new border patrol agents for the rest of the year.
  • Funds 600 new customs agents for this year. The bill also funds additional recruiting to help fill some 600 open slots. sounds like an increase to me
  • Total new customs agents: the goal is 1,200.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)

  • ICE gets 112 new health staff at detention facilities. Sounds like an increase to me
  • Requires agency to file weekly reports on detainees and a monthly report on family separations and minor referrals.
  • An increase of $95 million over last year for ā€œcustody operationsā€ (a 3 percent increase over last year). Oh another increase

Immigration courts

  • Funding for 50 new judges over last yearā€™s amount. oh another increase
  • Priority for hiring must be in highest workload areas.

If they are already appropriated to border security, then why would Trump need to declare an national emergency to use them? It doesnā€™t make sense?

Ahh, but the devil is in the details. The poison pills will all but ensure the 55 miles of fencing will never be built.

And for the record, PBS is simply regurgitating the LW talking points in order to make Trump look petty. You are dutifully repeating them here.

I actually agree with you there. In my mind, Trump could have used those funds without declaring a national emergency; unless Iā€™m mistaken.

Those details came straight out of the billā€¦ what are you disputing? PBS didnā€™t make that up.

CBP could have used those funds. The executive branch has nothing to do with it. Itā€™s not an national emergency if funds you appropriated arenā€™t being used in a timely matter. He should take that up with the head of that agency. He had 2 years to figure this out.

Woah, hold your horses. I donā€™t discount them. I am all for immigration. I just think it should be legal immigration. And Iā€™m not saying that Americansā€™ lives donā€™t matter. Of course they do.

I do think this is a matter of national emergency, especially with the waves of caravans coming into the country. But it is true it could set a precedent for more liberal presidentsā€¦

ā€œThe product of nearly three weeks of talks, the border security agreement would provide almost $1.4 billion for new barriers along the boundary. Thatā€™s less than the $1.6 billion for border security in a bipartisan Senate bill that Trump spurned months ago, and enough for building just 55 miles of barricades, not the 200-plus miles heā€™d sought.ā€œ

PBS? HA! What a joke! Anybody who quotes PBS as a reliable source is simply drinking the liberal kool aid! Talk about clueless! Anybody who quotes PBS shouldnā€™t be taken seriously! I am embarrassed for those who do!

Caravans arent new. There have been caravans coming into this country for the last 2 years of Trumps presidency.

ā€œThe product of nearly three weeks of talks, the border security agreement would provide almost $1.4 billion for new barriers along the boundary. Thatā€™s less than the $1.6 billion for border security in a bipartisan Senate bill that Trump spurned months ago, and enough for building just 55 miles of barricades, not the 200-plus miles heā€™d sought.ā€œ

You keep ignoring all of the poison pills.

Once again you are out in left field. Trump isnā€™t declaring a national emergency because appropriated funds arenā€™t being used. :roll_eyes:

Wasting time with such knuckleheads is a futile endeavor!

I guess you think we are stupid. If they thought they could make a legal or constitutional case to do so they would have already done it or would do it in the future regardless of what Trump does or doesnā€™t do. But I think you will find removing Americans rights or property under an emergency declaration a tad more difficult to get by the courts than defending the nations borders from foreign nationals.

Tough luck, Presidents have broad discretion in what constitutes a national security emergency. Neither you, congress or the courts gets to make that determination, he does.

Instead of repeating this lineā€¦ you should describe the poison pills.

But itā€™s hilarious that Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot so badly on this, ā€œYeah, if Trump defends the borders from invasion by foreign nationals weā€™ll strip Americans of their constitutional rights if we ever gain the Presidency again. Donā€™t forget to vote for us next time.ā€ Lol. Can they be any dumber?

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This is what you saidā€¦ emphasis on the bold sentence

They can only use funds NOT ALREADY SPENT. So, if I am following YOUR justification here, it would be the executive branch declaring an emergency to use unspent funds in CBP. Why is that an emergency? The Executive branch had 2 years to work directly with CBP to use those funds wisely.