Trump closing border with Mexico

Give me some sources and i wil say uncle

Its ok. You can say uncle

My dear. Mexico has everything to do with this.
They are not an innocent bystander. Quite the contrary.
Hordes that Mexico is allowing to pass through to the US is not something Trump has manufactured. This is something that has been going on well prior to Trump.

No offense, Dave, but I see that you are out of your depth here.

Carry on the good fight of the idealistic who’ve not yet had the hard knocks of the realistic. I hope time is good to you.

I know this probably isn’t supported by most of you, but i want to illustrate the bias on both sides.

Reality meet Dave.

No need to be afraid, Dave. These things don’t exist in your world. Carry on.

Show me reality. Im not afraid

Seeing as how you quoted yourself asking yourself for sources… I’ll wait.

Altight, sometimes i get a bit excited

I can be logical, I promise!:wink:

To be fair, you are all against me, lets be honest

Maybe business shouldn’t have become too dependent on Mexico…and now you want Americans to suffer for their lack of foresight?

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I totally agree. we are virtually being he’d hostage by politicians who remain unaffected by the illegals pouring across the border.

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You are totally clueless.

Over 100K illegal/asylum seekers have been released into the US so far this year.

Perhaps if all 100K were sent to your city/state then you would see the magnitude of the problem the west faces every day.

22 million illegals and we have probably far more than that cost this country 135 billion a year from stat and Federal taxes. That doesn’t count the support for the fake asylum seekers. But that doesn’t matter to you as you don’t foot the bill.

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B.S.

The come here because they are told they will be able to enter and are told what to say and how to enter. They have been told that of they cross illegally to plead for asylum. They well be arrested and released and they are correct as they continue releasing them into the US to never be heard from again.

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To you or to me, yes.

To people like Dave? Not so much.

Cry away. You “tears” are lost on the Angel Moms.

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To be fair no one is against you personally, Dave. You could stop posting and no one would miss you.

What I am against is the ideals you represent. The lack of reality. The lack of foresight. There will be many who carry on the same message.

On this board, there will be many who oppose that message.

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I’d want to see the deportation of all illegal aliens, including the dreamers, and also getting us a 10 year holiday from all immigration (doubly especially Muslims). We need a reset.

Outlawing abortion and viewing it in the national interest that our population be sustained through the posterity of the Citizens is also desirable.

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The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016

We apply standard demographic principles of inflows and outflows to estimate the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States, using the best available data, including some that have only recently become available. Our analysis covers the years 1990 to 2016. We develop an estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants based on parameter values that tend to underestimate undocumented immigrant inflows and overstate outflows; we also show the probability distribution for the number of undocumented immigrants based on simulating our model over parameter value ranges. Our conservative estimate is 16.7 million for 2016, nearly fifty percent higher than the most prominent current estimate of 11.3 million, which is based on survey data and thus different sources and methods. The mean estimate based on our simulation analysis is 22.1 million, essentially double the current widely accepted estimate. Our model predicts a similar trajectory of growth in the number of undocumented immigrants over the years of our analysis, but at a higher level.

Actually th 135 billion was base on 11.3 million and the MIT study projects over 22 million which is conservative.

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But El Salvador has made remarkable progress since the end of the war in 1992, and it is surely unfair to describe it as a “shithole.” Indeed, the country has held five presidential elections since the end of the war, all relatively free and fair, and with little violence. In 2009, after 15 years of right-wing presidents, Salvadorans elected elected a former guerrilla commander turned politician, and he was succeeded in the next election by another former revolutionary. The Economist describes El Salvador as a “flawed democracy,” and ranks it number 60 on its “democracy index,” ahead of Mexico and Singapore.

Seems that trying to blame the US for events in the 80/90’s is a bit beyond the EXCUSE.

But as always the left always assess BLAME.