But the EU IS the member states, that makes it sound like the EU is an entity unto itself against the various members?
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By that premise you must assume the EU is democratic. Far from it. The EU is directed by 5 unelected Presidents who make all the top level decisions. Beneath them are layers and layers of (unelected) bureaucrats. There is an EU Parliament but that really doesnât have any say in the scheme of things and is just there to placate the masses. It canât even be described as a veneer of democracy. They get elected by us, the commoners, and they just make some noise.
Did you know that the founders of the EU were all Nazis?
The EU was originally the Common Market, a trading bloc, and we voted to join it in the 70âs. No problem there. Then there was talk of a single currency and Thatcher famously warned that âa single currency is the back door to a federal Europe.â
In 2007, our then PM, Gordon Brown, quietly signed the Lisbon Treaty which was the way in for an integrated Europe. He signed away our sovereignty and our rights. None of us commoners were really aware what was going on.
The Euro exists basically for the benefit of German exports. Alone, the Deutchemark would be high. However, with 28 member states, the majority of them basket cases, the Euro is kept artificially low. Everyone has a purpose. Our purpose is to pay the bills though thankfully we did not join the single currency. It was probably better that we didnât as our economy would have strengthened the Euro. All well and good for Germany, but what about the other countries doing the propping? High unemployment, runaway inflation, communities in deprivation and ruin. The Euro is too high for them. When they get really unhappy as Greece did, Germany would rather bail them out than let them go. Why so? Because the benefit of them in the EU keeping the Euro down far outweighs the bailout amount.
In the last three years, fuel price in France has gone up 50%. Food price is correlated to fuel price and that has risen sharply too. As the majority of the fuel price is duty, it is the government raising extra revenue. I would not classify France as a basket case, but the pinch is definitely felt here. What do you think the Gilets Jaunes protests are all about?
Countries like Greece, Italy and Spain who rely heavily on tourism probably suffer most. A shocking observation I made is that fuel price in Spain is around âŹ1.00 a litre, despite comparison sites putting Spain on par with France. (âŹ1.50 /litre in France). There is a cover up there! My guess is Spain gets a lot more subsidies to keep them quiet. All that will change shortly though. All hell will break loose in the Eurozone.
Make no bones about it, the EU is Germany by proxy. The formation of the EU army is the formation of the new German army. Are our memories so short we now trust the Germans? Strange isnât it, that now the economic project is in its death throes, the military project is gathering pace?
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Really? Practicing NazisâŠ
Iâm not sure how thatâs a good thingâŠ
Nazi is euphemism for â â â â
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Maybe ⊠but in my most recent interaction with him he repeated that he is not Ross.
TBH his intellect and education are poor, I try not to engage with him.
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At the risk of reopening something which I thought had been settled in June 2016âŠ
There was a referendum to ask if people wanted to leave the EU. The turnout for that vote was 85%, and the result was 52% for leaving, 48% for remaining. The 15% of the electorate who didnât vote accept the result of the other voters. Therefore nearly 41% of the electorate voted to remain and the other 59% want to leave the EU.
That is very plain.
My reasons for voting leave are that I donât want the UK to be told by some Belgian foreigners that it has to tolerate and accept and pay for political activists to remain in the UK. Said political activists were not even European and were/are inciting riot and mayhem. I donât want to pay taxes to a supervising body over whom we have no control.
Then I happened to sit outside an opticians, next to a similarly aged lady who was waiting for her husband. She volunteered that she thought that her parents and others of that generation would be appalled to discover that the countries against which they fought to retain the freedom of the UK were now exercising control over their families and descendants.
Doubtless there is a vast selection of other reasons why people voted leave.
You mean ⊠I owe Tony Blair an apology?
Ouch! that hurts so much⊠Ouch!
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Being a sceptic I had to do that computationâŠ
So I took an American penny, and inflated it at 3% compound for 2000 years.
The answer was 4.725517876Ă10ÂČâ” ( pennies, so divide by 100 to get US$ )
For a minute I nearly believed you, but then I looked up the mass of the earth.
According to Google it is 5.972 Ă 10ÂČ⎠kg
There are just over 32 Troy ounces in 1kg, so at the current gold::US$ rate that is $48,000 per kg
Therefore: Josephâs penny is not equal to the value of the mass of the earth in gold. In fact there are another 450 years before that computation would be true, and at which time the price of gold would have changed and the US$ may not exist.
Considering how many â â â â were killed by the Nazis, I find that statement laughable.
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UK is and always has been close to US but it has become more difficult for us to support you(militarily) whilst in EU, I think. Leaving could rejuvenate the ââspecial relationshipââ - Not sure whether that is a good or bad thing tho?
How many â â â â do you ââthinkââ were killed by the Nazis?
Lots.
What I wasnât aware of until recently is that Stalin was a â â â â Ironic.
Not good enough - too subjective, but I wonât go down that rabbit hole here. Itâs been covered in other threads already.
So were a lot of Nazis and they were all funded by â â â â â
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How many â â â â were nazis?
And vice versa?
Adolf Eichmann, a former nazi bigwig whom the Israelis kidnapped against international laws in Argentina and promptly executed, was â â â â â â â
Hitler and Mengele were both â â â â â â â but I will refrain from saying so now.
Josephâs penny:
Go to Google Translate for translation
Jahr 118: aus dem 1 Cent ist bereits 1 Euro geworden. Sieht nicht viel aus, der Betrag hat sich aber bereits verhundertfacht. Ca. alle 120 Jahre verhundertfacht sich also der Betrag.
Jahr 294: Der Kontostand von Jesus wĂ€re erstmals ĂŒber 1000 Euro.
Jahr 385: Das erste Kilogramm Gold ist geschafft.
Jahr 561: 1 Tonne Gold könnte Jesus sein Eigen nennen.
Jahr 812: Nun hat sich der Besitz schon auf einen Gold-WĂŒrfel von 1x1x1 Meter gesteigert (19.300kg)
Jahr 1165: Der GoldwĂŒrfel ist bereits auf eine SeitenlĂ€nge von 1km angewachsen.
Jahr 1341: Der GoldwĂŒrfel hĂ€tte schon eine SeitenlĂ€nge von 100 km.
Jahr 1871: Endlich hat sich der Wert so verzinst, dass der Goldwert in der GröĂe einer Erdkugel wĂ€re. (1.083.319.780.000 km3)
Jahr 2012: Der Wert wĂ€re inzwischen in der GröĂe von 255 Erdkugeln aus purem Gold .
http://www.menschenverstand.at/Artikel/2012_06_01_Jesus_Zins.htm
Based on 4% interest.
Pure gold 255 times the size of planet earth in 2012.
So Iâve always understood WHY those of you who support Brexit want to leave. Itâs just never been clear to me what it looks like if itâs not a mitigated departureâŠ
Yes, that all makes sense.
Well Ex, it was close, and makes a good pointâŠ
The fear mongers are saying that a no-deal Brexit would be disastrous because they assume (I surmise) that the UK is dependant upon the EU for its life-blood.
There are also some programs to which the UK signed-up before it issued an article-50 notice, and we would have to stand behind those commitments to avoid incurring the wrath of others.
However ⊠we should win big by not having to support the bloatisphere which is the European administration, not to mention the French farmers as Jen has already mentioned.
I can see that there would be border issues particularly concerning import and export, and maybe that is the main thrust behind those claiming that we must leave with a deal. However ⊠under Theresa May the UK has spent 3 years doing nothing in preparation for Brexit and that is entirely down to the clowns in the House of Commons.
edit: one of the loudest remoaners is Tony Blair who I believe stands to be out of a lucrative position when the UK no longer needs MEPs and what-have-you.