New York kills the use of plastic bags. I bet they will get that feel good all over feeling

Plastic Bag Bans Won’t Help the Environment, But They’ll Cause More Foodborne Illnesses

Plastic bags are less than one percent of all litter.

New York lawmakers have followed California’s lead and decided to ban grocery stores from giving customers plastic bags. They hope shoppers will use their own cloth bags instead. This ban on plastic bags will harm shoppers in multiple ways.

As Daniel Frank sarcastically notes, “Reusable tote bags” can “cause food poisoning but at least they’re worse for the environment than plastic bags.” He cites Jon Passantino of BuzzFeed News, who observes, “Those cotton tote bags that are so trendy right now have to be used 131 times before it has a smaller climate impact than a plastic bag used only once.” Yet, there are progressives who want to ban plastic grocery bags in favor of reusable cloth bags.

Plastic bags are less than one percent of all litter. Moreover, alternatives like cloth and paper bags are in many cases worse for the environment than plastic bags, and far worse for public health. That was illustrated by a 2011 legal settlement between plastic bag makers and an importer of reusable bags, ChicoBag. The plastic bag makers sued ChicoBag for its use of false claims about the recycling rate and environmental impacts of plastic grocery bags in its promotional materials. (Those false claims are also the basis for municipal bans and taxes on plastic bags.)

Plastic bags are “less than 0.5% of the litter stream,” according to the head of the National Black Chamber of Commerce.

Under that settlement, ChicoBag was required to discontinue its use of its counterfeit EPA website and make corrections to its deceptive marketing claims, which had included sharing falsified government documents with schoolchildren. It was also required to disclose to consumers on its website that reusable bags, in fact, need to be washed.

Reusable bags “are a breeding ground for bacteria and pose public health risks — food poisoning, skin infections such as bacterial boils, allergic reactions, triggering of asthma attacks, and ear infections,” noted a 2009 report. Harmful bacteria like E. coli, salmonella, and fecal coliform thrive in reusable bags unless they are washed after each use, according to an August 2011 peer-reviewed study, “Assessment of the Potential for Cross-contamination of Food Products by Reusable Shopping Bags.”

Among the inaccurate claims that ChicoBag could no longer make after the settlement is one that contrasted the environmental impact of plastic versus reusable bags. Contrary to ChicoBag’s previous claims, a study done for the U.K. Environmental Agency showed it would take 7.5 years of using the same cloth bag (393 uses, assuming one grocery trip per week) to make it a better option than a plastic bag reused three times. See “Life Cycle Assessment of Supermarket Carrier Bags,” Executive Summary, 2nd page.

As an earlier report on the subject noted (see p. 60):

[A]ny decision to ban traditional polyethylene plastic grocery bags in favor of bags made from alternative materials (compostable plastic or recycled paper) will be counterproductive and result in a significant increase in environmental impacts across a number of categories from global warming effects to the use of precious potable water resources. … [T]he standard polyethylene grocery bag has significantly lower environmental impacts than a 30% recycled content paper bag and a compostable plastic bag.

As the UK Environmental Agency pointed out in July 2011, a

cotton bag has a greater [harmful environmental] impact than the conventional [plastic] bag in seven of the nine impact categories even when used 173 times. … The impact was considerably larger in categories such as acidification and aquatic & terrestrial ecotoxicity due to the energy used to produce cotton yarn and the fertilisers used during the growth of the cotton (see p. 60).

Similarly,

Starch-polyester blend bags have a higher global warming potential and abiotic depletion than conventional polymer bags, due both to the increased weight of material in a bag and higher material production impacts (see Executive Summary).

As Environmental Protection noted in 2010:

Reusable grocery bags can serve as a breeding ground for dangerous food-borne bacteria and pose a serious risk to public health, according to a joint food safety research report issued by researchers at the University of Arizona and Loma Linda University. The study — which randomly tested reusable grocery bags carried by shoppers in the Los Angeles area, San Francisco, and Tucson, Ariz. — also found consumers were almost completely unaware of the need to regularly wash their bags.

“Our findings suggest a serious threat to public health, especially from coliform bacteria including E. coli, which were detected in half the bags sampled,” said Charles Gerba, Ph.D., a University of Arizona environmental microbiology professor and co-author of the study. “Furthermore, consumers are alarmingly unaware of these risks and the critical need to sanitize their bags after every use.” The bacteria levels found in reusable bags were significant enough to cause a wide range of serious health problems and even lead to death — a particular danger for young children, who are especially vulnerable to food-borne illnesses, he said.

The study also found that awareness of potential risks was very low. A full 97 percent of those interviewed have never washed or bleached their reusable bags, said Gerba, who added that thorough washing kills nearly all bacteria that accumulate in reusable bags.

Plastic bags are “less than 0.5% of the litter stream,” according to the head of the National Black Chamber of Commerce. That low percentage is confirmed by EPA data. ( See, e.g. , EPA, Municipal Solid Waste in the United States: 2009 Facts and Figures , p. 53, showing that the entire category of plastic sacks, wraps, and bags—including trash bags as well as grocery bags—together account for only a little over one percent of all municipal solid waste, and only a small fraction of overall plastics.)

Ah, so they are going to use paper bags now, which come from … trees.

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Or they can use their recyclable bag that is germ/bacteria infested.

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I don’t think they will eliminate plastic bags, you just have to pay for it now. I could be wrong about this, but they already do this in California.

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Seems the feel good progressives win again.

It should be illegal to bring one of those nasty cotton bags into a grocery store. This all comes from miserable cat women and bulldykes. They have nothing better to do than be pissed off at the world. Women with children don’t have time for this nonsense.

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In California, you can still use plastic bags provided by the grocery store. You just have to pay 10 cents per bag now. Suckers. Walmart laughs all the way to the bank again. lol

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Makes me think of the song: “The wheels on the bus go round and round… round and round.”

We used to use paper bags.

Progressives say… Paper BAD!!! Everyone listens… PAPER bag BAD!

Progressives say… Use cloth bag. Everyone says Ahhhh… Cloth bag GOOD! But no one wash cloth bag good. Cloth bag becomes BAD!

We go back to paper bag GOOD. Except for trees!

Now what to do? Because all of my products in my paper bag are wrapped in plastic? Arrrgg…

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What is their plan for waste can liners, lawn clippings and leaf bags, shrink wrap packaging, Saran Wrap, freezer bags, plastic cups, styrofoam products and …and the like?

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What about the bags that people use in the produce section?

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…and disposable diapers…and Depends…

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I remember when the treehuggers demanded plastic bags because paper bags killed trees.

We used those paper bags for EVERYTHING!!!
Lunch sack.
Garbage bag
Book cover
Kites
Ripening green tomatoes (try this, it works Great!)

Then they gave us these crappy plastic bags that rip out before we get everything to the car and cut off the circulation in my fingers…

Now these plastic bags that they forced down our throat are killing Flipper or some such, and we all have to jump to their latest dumbass idea that will turn out to grow superbugs, kill worms, or pollute our gardens, or produce some yet as determined unintended consequence.

Because we know the only thing that Libs produce with any consistency is unintended consequences!

I want my damned paper bags back before tomato season.

/rant

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Well that’s why Gov. homo is the highest paid governor in our nation . His budget eliminated money going to the Special Olympics , which seems to be ok with the liberal trash as long as Trump administration doesn’t try that or more screaming at the sky !!! NY finds more and more ways to tax and make life difficult . When will these bullshit artist that claim they want to do what is best for citizens and are so concerned with their health BAN CIGARETTES ???

I used to frequent a market that offered both…paper or plastic. They would always ask at the checkout counter.

I once answered, “Oh, I’ll take either…I’m bi-sacksual!”

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I wouldn’t mind having paper bags with strong handles. The ones that they use at Whole Foods are pretty good. The plastic bags they use now are all very weak and thin. So I don’t really care if they get banned. I think the ban is stupid and people should just be able to use whatever bags they want but if we can get those stronger paper bags they are much better.

Upstate New Yorker here.
Maybe my county will be a sanctuary county for bags… any kind of bag.

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There’s a store here (Aldi) that doesn’t use bags at all. As they check you out, they simply put all your purchases in another shopping cart. If you brought your own bags or boxes, they will use them, or sometimes offer their own empty boxes.

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Aldi… great store. My SO shops there. I am more into the convenience of the little grocery store a few miles away. But I’ll likely drive that extra 10 miles when I retire… soon.

Aldi saves on operating costs in their methods of displaying the goods…they simply cut the fronts out of the shipping boxes and stack them on shelves.

I’m beginning to like Dollar General stores. They’re small and numerous.

Sometimes I find name brand products at sizeable discounts…based on an insignificant manufacturing flaw.

Publix, as you check out: “Paper or plastic”?

Today I said … paper. The check out clerk was flustered. There were no baggers. So, I handed her a couple. I was faster bagging my own stuff. She’d yet to figure out how to open the paper bag and what “stuff” could go with what, lol.

So, with the paper I will layer my garden as weed prevention.

I also happened to notice a person in the check out lane next to me using paper bags. Good to see it make a come back!