If Trump wins, we need to outlaw Marxism/Communism/Socialism, and a hundred other bad things

Dummycrats find a way to gobble up cash with all their bullshit about an ice age then global warming , nothing but money garbs !!!

n the fall of 1973, a prominent climate scientist named Reid Bryson took the stage at an American Association of Geographers conference, and to a crowd of hundreds packed inside the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire banquet hall, he explained that the planet was cooling.

A young student named Steve LaDochy recalls sitting in the audience and being impressed with Brysonā€™s climate presentation, which showed that a heavily-polluted Earth had entered a cooling period. ā€œHe brought along slides, and it looked to me like very compelling evidence. So I went along with it,ā€ says LaDochy, who today studies geoscience at California State University, Los Angeles.

Bryson wasnā€™t alone in his beliefs ā€” and still isnā€™t.

A 1974 CIA report expressed concern over ā€œdetrimental global climate change,ā€ citing more snow, cold spells and weather anomalies. In 1976, James Hayes, who studied Earth and environmental sciences at Columbia University, told The New York Times that global cooling had already begun, and if this became a long-term trend, ā€œthere is not much doubt that we will build substantial ice on the Northern Hemisphere continents.ā€ Even the weather seemed to agree. Harsh winters brought historic blizzards, including the destructive ā€œWhite Hurricaneā€ of 1978.

But Earth was not cooling. An ice age was never imminent. And few scientists agreed with Brysonā€™s claims, although this hasnā€™t prevented climate change deniers from using these unfulfilled cooling forecasts to attack the legitimacy of climate scientists today. The new op-ed hire at The New York Times, Bret Stephens, perpetuated the idea on Fox News. ā€œThis is just the next stage of preposterous in the global warming story,ā€ said Stephens. ā€œIn the 1970s we were supposed to believe in global cooling, in the 1980s it was a nuclear winter, in the 1990s it was mad cow disease.

Global warming was the flavor of the decade ā€“ I canā€™t wait to see what the next scare is going to be.ā€

Given the tremendous size and heat capacity of the global oceans, it takes a massive amount of added heat energy to raise Earthā€™s average yearly surface temperature even a small amount. The roughly 2-degree Fahrenheit (1 degrees Celsius) increase in global average surface temperature that has occurred since the pre-industrial era (1850-1900 in NOAAā€™s record) might seem small, but it means a significant increase in accumulated heat.

That extra heat is driving regional and seasonal temperature extremes, reducing snow cover and sea ice, intensifying heavy rainfall, and changing habitat ranges for plants and animalsā€”expanding some and shrinking others. As the map below shows, most land areas have warmed faster than most ocean areas, and the Arctic is warming faster than most other regions. In addition, itā€™s clear that the rate of warming over the past few decades is much faster than the average rate since the start of the 20th century.

That is the very worst possible thing to do. Everyone gets hurt, a lot. The sellers of goods delivered will make sure you never get another nickelā€™s worth of goods from them or anyone they trade with. Everyone will shun you and your goods for sale. Foreign sovereigns will claim & expropriate your property out of country, and/or expropriate poorly defended pieces of your country. Ships carrying your property on the high seas will be seized by world authorities and/or anyone with the might to do it. And others will stand by, watch, and applaud. If you are not absolutely self-sufficient and donā€™t ever need anything from somewhere else you might get away with it, short term, but everyone will be gunning for you. With large-caliber guns. Your reputation as a deadbeat snake will follow you for a hundred years. If that sounds like no one gets hurt, then youā€™re welcome to it.

Hegemony is not a new concept. One makes alliances with the rich & powerful for good reasons, -and purposes. Nobody will attack you sleeping next to your elephant. You might get crushed by the elephant rolling over, but you always have to roll the dice and pick sides. We attempted to build a system where the world could become a more egalitarian place with votes of the little country counting, too, with the League of Nations, then the United Nations. Both are terrible failures, the first being less of a failure because it collapsed sooner, blessedly.

You have a problem with the Fed being a non-governmental agency. Thatā€™s short-sighted and foolish, in this way: You pay General Dynamics BIG money to build ships and tanks, Lots of high-priced tanks; want them or not? Like the M1A2 V3 Abrams at $24,000,000? Thatā€™s a lot of money, but it is a terror on the battlefield, and youā€™re happy to have a thousand sent to Ft. Hood, please. Wipe that smile off your face.

Now, ask yourself how much would you pay someone to control your money supply so you donā€™t have a financial panic every few years? If they did it and made a profit doing it, would you really care? Got any idea how badly everyone got hurt in the panics of late 19th century? Bank failures left and right, no central authority printing money, just print a bunch when you need it and hope thatā€™s enough to keep goods and services being exchanged? Nobody in banking consulting each other, everything uncoordinated boom, bust, boom, bust?? Now, ask yourself again how much would you pay someone to control your money supply so you donā€™t have a financial panic every few years? If you keep hiring political friends, and every new administration does the same thing, and continuity be damned, is that why the bank failures, currency imbalances, and panics keep dogging your wildly growing economy?

You need to create 1. a central system; 2. it needs to be as outside of political as possible; 3. You need to have limits on the power of individuals to dominate it and perpetuate their dominance; (Remember, J.P.Morgan was an initiator; he knew what power was!) 4. You need to build-in a training system so that the people being rotated out are replaced by people who know how to operate the system: continuity being foremost in its operation, along with the ability and experience to roll with the punches of economies expanding and stalling. So, you will have x number of reserve banks with 2x number of Officers who are the board members that will run the system. Each branch will have one voting member and one non -voting member. POTUS will appoint both and the Senate will approve. They will serve for x years and rotate out. And all will be well in Gotham City.

Nothing really good is cost-free; you are going to pay for what you want. How much will you pay? Sometimes you get what you pay for, and sometimes you just pay. If you have a better idea, spit it out.

Enter; The Creature From Jekyll Island

One small detail; it takes a thousand years for an Ice Age to rotate in, plenty long enough to deal with it without people lining up for U-Haul trailers.

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Not so. The climate modelers wonā€™t tell you how many times or how they have ā€œadjustedā€ their models; they have 55 models. What they donā€™t tell you is two important facts: 1. The newer methods & standards & equipment get different readings in temps around the world than the old methods. Thus, they need to ā€œadjustā€ for the difference and, 2. Extrapolate what the numbers should be that they use in their models use as baselines from which they calculate the future climate.

Yes, kiddies, they extrapolate baselines and project from that.

Many of the reporting stations are no longer manned or operating or used, and they extrapolate from surrounding stations readings what the data should be, so we are comparing extrapolations with extrapolations of extrapolations.

What could possibly go wrong?

No, no. The onslaught of the Ice Age will be sudden. How sudden is sudden? In geological terms, a few years or a few decades if weā€™re lucky.

In the initial days of our Holocene, a comet seems to have struck, kicking up dust and triggering the Young Dryas which suddenly reversed the trend of warming. Mummified remains of tropical animals were found in Siberia who suddenly froze to death.

In the Ice Age, or more correctly in the Glacial period lasting about 300,000 years, the average temperature drops about 5 degrees centrigrade (9F). Not much, but enough to widen the glaciers and ice sheets throughout the Northern Hemisphere.

Why was it possible to build skyscrapers in New York City early in the 20th century? Because the ground had been hardened by the weight of an ice sheet thousands of meters high (higher than Mt Everest).

On a positive note, there will be more land because the coastlines recede to the edge of continental shelves, connecting England to Europe for example. The Mediterranean, Black Sea, Sea of Japan will be large lakes.

Remember the hockey stick model?

A lot of fear-mongering.
Actually, global warming is good for bio-diversity. When Earth was much warmer many moons ago, many species of dinosaurs roamed the lush green lands and marine creatures flourished in the seas.

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Why have they kept it a secret? That tells you everything.

We arenā€™t expecting a comet, to my meager knowledge. Jellystone on the other hand is going to blow up and may do so before I finish this. Shasta is also due. Exactly how big is not predictable by me, but Iā€™m downwind of both. We are always subject to something on the scale of Krakatau or worse yet Tambora, but Iā€™m not losing sleep over that remote happening. It was nice of you to point out the last Ice Age was suspected to be caused by a comet. They can be caused by the Sun going thru a tantrum, or things I know nothing of. But we know, for sure this: the Earth has been going thru climate cycles since the beginnings of time and itā€™s likely to continue. They are events on a scale that are unmatched by mankindā€™s paltry activities, and anyone says otherwise is a fool on a grand scale. The next Ice Age not caused by a comet or series of volcanic events will be a slow descent into and back out of. I would point out that the climate nuts havenā€™t been right on anything yet, and I ainā€™t holding my breath for them to get something right.

I have said before: Californicators & Eurostuopidos are ahead of the rest of the country & western world in destroying their economies to save the planet and they will experience a coming-to-Jesus moment before the rest of the country & intelligent life follows them. The car companies have put most of their eggs into the wrong basket to satisfy the stupid Left Coast and retain the approval to sell EVs there. Without a POTUS To force it down the rest of our throats, the EV thing wonā€™t proceed and everyone making them will eat shit. Big Time. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

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Yes, and it is scaled to look much bigger than it really is. Put the same numbers on a scale that has a low end where the low end of temperatures are EVERY YEAR, and the high end is as high as it gets EVERY YEAR, and it would look just a tiny bit different. Just one more example of selling the news and selling the weather; hyperbole writ large.

And yes, a warmer climate with more COĀ² grows more stuff and freezes few people to death.

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Iā€™m not the smartest guy in the room and I know. Buy the book and youā€™ll get the whole story. I would point out that the Fed does operate, the job does get done in spite of the fact that spenders cannot be stopped by the Fed. I say again only an educated public can vote correctly. Uniformed voters are our worst enemy.

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No. I said the Young Dryas was triggered by a comet (or maybe an astroid).

A glacial period is overdue, a tell-tale sign of which is the dropping of the deep Atlantic water temperature and it is happening. Sure enough, nobody is talking about it.

Ocean surface temperatures, on the other hand, may be rising, which cause hurricanes and such but they donā€™t mean anything. The HAARP in Alaska can easily accomplish this.

During the Holocene, our current interglacial, there is a periodic warming of once in every 1,000 years or so. About 3,000 years ago, there was a warming followed by a cooling, triggering the migration of Aryans from Central Asia into the Indian subcontinent and other movements of tribal peoples in Siberia.

About 2,000 years ago, it was warm and the Romans colonized Britain and produced wine and other nice things, but they had to abondon Britain when it cooled. Germanic tribes moved south and caused chaos in Europe, eventually bringing down the Roman Empire and causing the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain. In the Far East, migrations occur from eastern Siberia and Manchura into the Korean peninsula, which caused a domino-effect migration into the Japanese islands.

About 1,000 years ago, it got warm and Vikings settled in Iceland and Greenland which was really green. A few hundred years later it got really cold and these Viking descendants had to abandon their villages in Greenland move back to Norway.

In 1990s the global temperature rose slightly, but no longer that large-scale, because a glacial period is approaching fast.

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I stand corrected.

Thereā€™s a large riff in the middle of the Atlantic that is or has been opening and active kinda forever and an artifact of the widening of the Atlantic that is a continuation of the process since Pangaea. It contributes to the water temp, but isnā€™t accounted for in the climate models. I find that disconcerting. Itā€™s like having a pan of water sitting on your heat register and wondering why the windows are fogging up. One little pan? Oh, pshaw!ā€¦ Details, details, details.

Nicely put! It demonstrates that we have and can again survive a change up or down!

Iā€™m sure many will survive, but overpopulation remains a problem in my humble opinion. Some people say itā€™s possible to house the entire world population, 7 billion of us, in an area the size of Texas.

But where does the food and clean water come from? How do you dispose of the trash and sewage?

One advantage of the glacial period is the expansion of continents due to descending sea levels (as the glaciers and ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere and Antarctica grow substantially).

But how safe is it to live on a newly emerged continental shelf, where the water level might rise siddenly for whatever reason. Is it possible to cultivate such lands which have been the sea bed for thousands of years?

You could build underground cities, or even cities under thick ice sheets, but how many people could be accomodated? Energy source?

Or huge glass domes over major cities.

Too many unknowns.

I canā€™t speak to living arrangements, I suspect that and the population thing would work itself out in the migration movement period. I think itā€™s folly to plan for something as debatable as an Ice Age.

The seabed would be too salty to cultivate for food production for a long time.

Iā€™m in agreement, basically. However, it wonā€™t hurt to be prepared for all sorts of possibilities.
Isnā€™t that what think-tanks are for?

What will happen for sure:
Billions of Chinese will be on the move from northern China.
Russians in Siberia? Probably not, because their ways of life are alread geared toward cold weather.
The temperature difference will be only 5Ā°C (9Ā°F) only on average between the full-blown glacial and interglacial periods.

If I was the Japanese policy maker, Iā€™d think of building a wall of sorts, given the Japanese islands will be connected to Korea and China.

If you have a 3D model of this planet, take a look. At the edge of continental shelves, there are vertical cliffs of thousands of meters high. We donā€™t see these gigantic cliffs today because they are hidden under water. All existing continents will be on plateaus (altitudes of thousands of meters in height) where very strong winds blow. And the air is extremely dry. Sort of like the south pole today, or worse.

There is no scientific explanation but there will be stronger volcanic activities accompanied by frequent earthquakes during glacial periods.

I admire your obvious knowledge of geological events & history, far above my own. But I have a problem with any database that is thought of as ā€œitā€, as in complete. I remember when the cause of end of the dinosaurs era was a controversial thing until the confirmation of the Yucatan (Now; Chicxulub) Impact was correlated with the KT Boundary by paleontologists after being recognized for what it was by an oil company geologist who saw the grand picture when he was doing his thing in the Gulf of Mexico. It took ~10 years before they all agreed that was where the big bullet landed. The general thought/accepted ā€œtruthā€ was there was no evidence of an impact that size, therefore that wasnā€™t the cause. (I understate that; many said we just didnā€™t where it was) This is not the first time that some pivotal missing piece of a puzzle was discovered by someone outside of the particular branch of knowledge looking for it without success. Guys like Sir Richard Burton & Ben Franklin dabbled far beyond their own niche. The end of the Universe has also been ā€œdiscoveredā€ (revealed?) 2 or 3 times in my lifetime, too, with each new, advanced telescope, so Iā€™m a little reluctant to accept any ā€œscientific factā€ agreed upon as not subject to change, next week.

Having said that, it takes years to cool the Earth if not initiated by a comet or asteroid hit (airburst works, too), but if there is no witness line in the geological record, then I donā€™t believe it can happen fast at all, and this is important: I donā€™t know how they can claim knowledge of fast or slow a few hundred thousand years later. I think it makes sense that it took a while before the Earth got to the bottom of the Ice Age, and it had to warm up, at the same speed; by the same forces. The sun and sunspots are drivers of our climate with all other things being subordinate. If you buy that statement, then without a concurrent dust witness line from Hudson Bay to Timbuktu the sun is the culprit having reduced its input of radiation by some maybe small increment, thence slowly warming when that returned (as that returned) to normal; if normal is the right word. Whether thatā€™s due to sunspots or something else, perhaps a Solar cycle we havenā€™t recognized? Itā€™s beyond me. Failing evidence to the contrary, my bullshit line of reasoning is just as good as any other.

Yes, it was a father and son team. I forgot their name, a Spanish name, I think. The idea sounds very convincing but not 100% definite yet.

Chinaā€™s Three Gorge Dam (Or is it the Three Gorges Dam?) collapsed three times, as far as I recall. LOL

The Big Bang is merely on paper.
This is a must-watch video for you.
(Banned TED Talk: The Science Delusion)

There was a huge air-burst explosion in Siberia (Tunguska) early in 20th century, the impact of which was felt in western Europe. Due to the confusion in the Russian civil war after the revolution, no team of scientists was sent to this very remote site. When the Soviet scientists finally arrived decades later, they were shocked to find thousands of trees felled in concentric fashion and already decayed but no crater was found.

Probably thatā€™s the case. Some scientists even consider the position of the solar system in the galaxy as well.

A Serbian scientist calculated the cycles of glacial and interglacial periods before the modern archaeological and geological tools became available.
Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia

It was controversial until, ā€œā€¦A team of scientists led by Luis Alvarez (a Nobel Prize-winning physicist), his son Walter (a geologist), and two colleagues, Frank Asaro and Helen Michel, discovered that the clay layer contains a strikingly high concentration of iridiumā€¦ ā€œ(in the witness deposits that confirm the deposited iridium matched the impact site and all around the world because no one had analyzed the clay that closely until long, long after the Chicxulub Impact site was proposed by the oil company geologist. The two factors tied together too neatly to ignore, but that chemistry was not done until the late 70s. He had made his mental connection 20 years earlier. This resistance to and ignoring of an obvious ā€œcoincidenceā€ in evidence in scientific matters is typical, -done thru the years, over, and over.

Three Gorges used an astounding amount of concrete, which should be allowed to cool in-between pours to build resistance to cracking. Pouring new next to still hot blocks accelerates exotherm build to even higher max temps in the new batch, causing more cracking in each; prior and new. Iā€™m betting they made no provision for expansion strips either, which is a third force multiplier in my humble view. They did Hoover Dam right and it pays off in the number of lifetimes it can survive. The difference is patience. Three Gorges is subject to much higher static pressures and, in my humble opinion, doomed to early failure. Which will be catastrophic.

I will watch the clip.

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Yes, a layer containing iridium was found pretty much everywhere, matching the time of the asteroid impact, 65-66 million years ago, and the extinction of (most) dinosaurs.
Some people argue that large dinosaurs may have gone extinct, but smaller ones survived in caves and underground caverns.
Recent accounts of encounters with bipedal reptiles of 6-8 feet throughout the world may or may not prove this idea of smaller dinosaurs surviving the asteroid impact and continuing its ā€œevolutionā€ along with humans.

In Arizona, just south of the Hopi Reservation, there is a crater called Meteor Crater or Barringer Crater named after the man who argued that it was a meteor that gouged the large hole in the Arizona desert. But his idea was originally met with skepticism, as meteors and asteroids donā€™t fall from the sky often, especially in the days when world-wide news was not available.

There is a town in southwest Germany ā€” Nƶrdlingen ā€” which was built on a meteor crater created by a meteor that fell 15 million years ago. I guess the crater offered a natural wall around the medieval town.

More recently, in 2013, a meteor exploded over the city of Chelyabinsk, Russia, and over 1,000 people were injuried from shattered glass fragments, etc. The approach and subsequent exlosion (air burst) of the meteor were filmed by dash cams.

Whatā€™s extremely interesting is that a small flying object, faster than the falling meteor itself, could be seen piercing the metor right before it exploded. Was it an alien UFO protecting the earth civilization? If the meteor had impacted Chelyabinsk directly, the damages would have been much worse and probably evaporated the whole city.

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