Healthcare: a "human" right?

Yeah, and VERY seldom is the truth spoken at that moment…:wink:

While that may be true, it remains a point that once Ratification was a done deal and what the ratifiers had agreed to was a particular thing, for anyone to decide to advance a different idea the time to speak now or forever hold your peace had indeed passed.

Hamilton should have not opined lawlessly or pressed for a lawful Amendment to the effect.

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But it’s still, 230 years later, not agreed upon. The general welfare is obviously interpreted differently by many.

Here’s the main thing, government has continuously grown to answer the demands of the people and will continue to do so. Eventually health and higher education will be added to the list.

Again, marvel that the modern Court unsettled settled law to contrive much of this.

Apostasy does not come before fidelity in the normal course of events. The modern Court is legally apostate.

What is settled upon is always open for reinterpretation, and as America evolved, the constitution was found wanting in many areas and had to be amended accordingly. Too many people think that the very fine document (perhaps the best in history) known as our constitution, is infallible and sacrosanct…it was written by men, fallible men, slave holders and chauvinists. Nevertheless they did a mighty fine job, but it is not perfect.

Ahh making arguments along the lines of moral relativism does not make what you wish for to come true! For once try living in reality and do more listening than talking, you will look less of an idiot for doing so!

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It’s not what Congress entertains, it’s what Americans have demanded. All the social programs that have been created and funded by congress is what the people have asked for. In that light, even if the welfare clause had been agreed upon unanimously by the “framers”, (and it wasn’t) it would be moot because it is what it is and the people have interpreted it in evolving terms. The constitution doesn’t specifically mandate social security, but that’s a social program that the people want, and there’s just as many conservative Republicans cashing their SS checks each month as democrats.

I have the right to own a firearm and ammunition, food, clothing and shelter.

Mic drop.

If you look at all the places where healthcare is “free” they share:
Painfully high taxation - want to pay 70% income tax? move to Norway and make over $41K (you start paying at 19K).
They have small populations
They have a largely homogenous culture (no identity politics) that is healthy with very little obesity.
They, as a culture embrace work and leisure, but not whining
They have very few criminals as the culture eschews excuse making and self pity.
One possible exception to the homogenaeity and culture of work would be the UK; Canadadians aren’t yet afraid of work, and are still largely lilly white, eh?
We have a culture that nurtures offense taking, identity politicking, and self pity for not realizing the grandiose dreams and phony self esteem our education system marinated children in. We have a culture that celebrates excess, and that includes using healthcare.
I would use the Dominican Republic free liquor analogy - it’s likely tainted, it might kill you, and has killed others, but it’s free so American tourists stick their fat pie holes under the tap and open’er up. That’s exactly what will happen when healthcare is free.

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General, not personal.

I got 104% in University logic class.

What u got?

Lol, healthcare will never be free. Nothing is free, no one presents it as such or advocates for such.

Democrats are presenting it as free by redistribution of the wealth!

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This seems to suggest that government can only continue to get bigger–that most Americans say that they want limited government, but that most really do not.

This is exactly the sort of hypocrisy that I do not believe is typical of the American people.

I have no problem with amending the Constitution, as you have suggested.

What I do have a problem with, however–and an enormous problem, at that–is our simply “reinterpreting” the Constitution, in light of a different era, without our troubling ourselves to go through the ratification process.

No, healthcare is never free.

But since there is no additional charge when one sees the doctor or goes to hospital–it is merely paid for with sky-high income taxes–it seems free.

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No, a majority vote or desire does not overturn our constitution.

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Of course they are and with almost half the country today having a Net 0 or net - income tax liability they have a lot of public support behind them on this.

Representation … only with respect to the enumerated Powers.

All else should be silence.

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Yet that’s exactly what has happened.