Healthcare: a "human" right?

Wouldn’t it be easier if you just read and educated yourself instead of commenting in threads you have no idea what you are talking about?

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Personal insults are their default, that’s why they’re so fond of Trump. Personal insults and name calling on a most sophomoric level is his method of operation.

Again, conflating and not knowing the context is your stupidity being exposed again! You have no self respect! Your clown care awaits you!

You think owning a firearm is a right, but food, clothing and shelter isn’t. The welfare clause is the most basic right.

No one cares! Those questions have already been answered if you actually did some reading here!

It’s coming, not to worry…

No it is not, don’t worry you can keep wishing all you want!

I’ve brought fact, logic and reason and made ONE comment saying you aren’t very smart if you believe X and you haven’t stopped crying since… People are just too damn sensitive these days and can’t take an ounce of criticism. You’re hoping to claim the moral high ground by calling me out for insulting you because you’ve been taught that it’s not a good debate tactic but the fact of the matter still remains… if you don’t see the difference between forced government spending that’s wasteful and private, voluntary charity, you’re not very smart. That’s just a statement of fact.

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You’re quite simply confused as to what a RIGHT is… you have the right to have clothing and shelter, no one can deny you those rights… you do NOT have the right to demand I pay for those things. I have the right to a firearm according to the 2nd Amendment but I do NOT have the right to force you to buy it for me… Can you seriously not see the difference?

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By the way, what idiot told you I’m fond of Trump? I like a lot of his (ok, MOST) policies but he’s a jackass. I don’t like him personally because he’s just flat out arrogant. That said, I’ll vote for him any day of the week if all you have is the clown car of Democrats on that state the other night… what a collection of pandering nitwits.

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He regularly proves to everyone here that indeed he lacks a mental amplitude for honest intellectual discourse, how else do you explain how he is purposely obtuse in almost everything he posts? He never reads the OPEDs, he just comments!

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Learn what a right is. You already have the right to health care. What you DON’T have the right to do is demand that others pay the bill.

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If a right to life isn’t your definition of a right, then I don’t know what to say.

It’s a pool, like everything else our tax dollars fund.

Yeah, I’m about done with him. He latched onto the post suggesting he wasn’t very smart because his professor told him that someone that hurls a personal insult loses the debate automatically. Well cupcake, not in the REAL world… if his professor was right, Trump wouldn’t be the President. :smile:

Proof positive that cultural Marxism is a mental disorder by way of indoctrination! Focusing on insults or in this case crying on the premise with faux paas outrage is their pivot to change the subject when they failed to present t an appropriate response! Montecrusty is just a product of the public school system in the post boomer era! Critical thinking skills are needed!

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Of course you don’t. No one’s taking your right to life away… you just don’t have the right to demand action of others to keep you alive.

A right is something you still have if you’re on an island alone with no other humans present. What you folks keep trying to conflate it with is an entitlement. Well, in a free society, you’re not entitled to a damn thing you don’t earn. If we CHOOSE to assist you, that’s called charity and like I said, it’s desirable. To live in a free society, it CANNOT be mandatory. When you dip into my pocket to fund your wants and needs, it’s now called slavery because you’re forcing me to work for your benefit. Not that I should be surprised Democrats are pushing that crap, you’ve been defending slavery since the beginning of your party.

My labor isn’t a pool. The ONLY exception in a free nation is things we have agreed that are for the common defense and general welfare of the United States… and again, the United States is NOT the people… the founders were clear in the distinction. They were talking about national defense and things like criminal justice… you know, things that protect our rights from assholes that try to grant themselves benefits at the expense of others…

No, you misunderstand, well, a lot.

I think that owning Arms suitable for infantry service is a constitutional right … but that right does not obligate anyone to provision another. The right is ultimately to acquire, use and dispose of what is simply personal property.

When I say we do not have a right to expect to have others give us food, I do not mean that we do not have a right to provide for ourselves.

You also share in the common to progressives delusion that the first clause of Article 1: Section 8 is about anything other than enumerating the then novel power to Congress, previously denied it, to levy certain forms of taxes.

The mention of both general welfare and the common defense are part of a justifying statement relative to the Power being enumerated, a Power that had been widely opposed in the years before. They are not present to bestow any power to spend at all and they do not.

A1:S8:C1 is the taxation clause. Not the Tax and Spend clause.

The enumerated Powers subsequent to A1:S8:C1 are all of those delegated whereby the general welfare etc are lawfully advanced by the federal … there are no others.

Progressives depend on an understanding of the Constitution that reduces the majority of it to a superfluity, of having appearance without substance.

If the Framers had meant to delegate general power to spend on whatever objects the Congress might entertain as advancing the common defense or the general welfare they would have had no need to write further for every conceivable power would have been covered by those few words.

The enumeration of specific powers, and the reserving of all powers not delegated to those besides the federal, proves that those are the only Powers possessed.

You may look to John Marshall for that wit, and not just to me.

But more, if there are anywhere circumstantial expectations to the doctrine of delegated powers, as indeed there are concerning the Territories or what would become D.C., then those too demonstrate that they are the ONLY such exceptions or else their enumeration too would be a superfluity, form without substance.

There is no “general welfare clause”. That clause is about the ability to tax.

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Welfare is a type of government support for the citizens of that society. Welfare may be provided to people of any income level, as with social security(and is then often called a social safety net), but it is usually intended to ensure that people can meet their basic human needs such as food and shelter. Welfare attempts to provide a minimal level of well-being, usually either a free- or a subsidized-supply of certain goods and social services, such as healthcare, education, and vocational training.[1]