And it must be true because if was before fake news was invented.
Well I gave my opinion about Jane’s impact on the war effort based on your query of #3. Despite your admitted lack of knowledge concerning the economics of Free South Korea and Communist Vietnam over the past five decades I’m sure you have an opinion.
Like it or not we were involved in both conflicts and the outcomes have driven the lives of millions based on the resulting forms of government in place. One cannot deny the vastly different standards of living between the two countries.
Jane was a decorative footnote. Being free as those in Honk Kong recognize and are fighting for remains the issue.
Sorry, you are incorrect about fake news. It’s been with us for decades. I first realized it when the socialist Walter Cronkite stated we had lost the war after Tet, when in fact we kicked the gooks ass big time. I realized at about that time that the media and a lot of politicians had turned against the military and country. They have been trying to tear it apart ever since that time – lying about the news being one of the main ploys. I got orders to Nam in 69 and knew at the time that the media and politicians had betrayed us and lost a war that would continue for years. Men actually at the “hanoi hilton” tried to have fonda brought up on charges of treason so the media and politicians have been covering her sorry ass ever since. I had a top secret clearance when I was in the military and rode to Rolling Thunder shortly after it formed and for several years thereafter with a group of 5 other combat vets – all of whom have passed. I know what really happened in that hell hole. BTW, if you rely on “fact checks” like snopes, I suggest you dig a little deeper. Most fact checks sites put some unique slants on truth.
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Surely you’re not blaming the erstwhile parlous state of the Korean Peninsula’s economies on one woman? She had the guts to stand up to the warmongering establishment and the yee-hah’ing ‘America, right or wrong’ demographic of the US, and that took courage on her part.
As to your ‘like it or not’ observation, the US gets involved in too many conflicts, using spurious motivations of perceived threats from imaginary enemies (think 1984?), to regime change for the sake of it; and without apology I repeat the Bitter Lake narrative because it’s absolutely true: ‘The West has become a dangerous and disruptive force in the world.’ Stop chucking your weight around in the misguided belief that the great US of A knows what’s best for all other countries on the planet, because most of the time your leaders don’t understand the realpolitik nor the cultural implications in these skirmishes and all-out wars. I mean let’s face it - societal conditions and stability in the US aren’t exactly idealistic? But at least thanks for engaging me - I’ve just logged in, so I’ll now find out if you were the only one who did?
Thanks for that - I found it only by casual browsing, because oddly I didn’t get a notification you had posted it to me.
I first heard the term ‘fake news’ when The Donald uttered it (and he’s been uttering it ever since! lol), so I guess that in those days it was called propaganda? What you said I found to be very interesting. But I haven’t changed my opinion that Fonda nor probably tens of thousands like her, were traitors; they could see the war wasn’t going anywhere, so why lose even more of your military in prolonging it? I think even one of your politicians (Mcnamara?) saw it too, tried to get it across and was promptly ignored.
I don’t know why but when you mention the … …
This came to Mind.
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What a pile of bullshit !! That rotten bitch cost lives she was a traitor plain and simply . 
The charges against Fonda went beyond the notion that she was an apologist for the mistreatment of American prisoners of war. Fonda was accused of engaging in war crimes on behalf of the North Vietnamese.
She sided with the Viet Cong as revolutionary “liberators.” And she travelled to Hanoi at a time when North Vietnamese soldiers were killing Americans. She posed on an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down our American pilots. She called our POWs hypocrites and liars and referred to their torture as understandable.
That slimy bitch damaged the morale of P.O.W.'s and others who fought,
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Leave it to cucks from cuckastan to be preaching to us about our foreign policy and past war cause all because they succumbed to their white guilt from the genocides that they themselves participated in! That is rich coming from a country that doesn’t believe in free speech any longer.
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I hope that trashy bitch rots in hell !!!
Kerry one of the most traitorous slime-balls this country has produced. North Vietnam acknowledged is “testimony” to congress gave them the incentive to hang on, though Nixon was bombing them into oblivion. The media had completely turned on us by that time.
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BTW, Robert McNamara screwed up Ford Motor before becoming sec of defense as he was concentrating on smaller economy cars while other manufacturers were building those wonderful 50’s and 60’s muscle cars. Failure is a asset to being a big time democrat.
Funny how it’s always the privileged that desperately seek to make a name for themselves during wartime huh? Lurch is still trying and has been a failure most of his life, even while trying to undermine the current sitting president by violating the Logan act.
McNamara admitted as much in “Fog of War.
Well I don’t get everything right! But we (UK) didn’t get the in-depth reportage as you did from the US news sources: but at the time, you have to admit that there was a lot of anti-war sentiment in the wider public?
I know McNamara was an architect of the war, so the logical presumption could have been drawn that he was one of the first to realise it wasn’t going the way he expected. The salient fact is that he was ignored, ipso facto, the war was prolonged?
You’ll see (in a previous post) my acknowledgement that my perception of JF’s rationale and activities was a bit awry, so I hereby retract my defence of her.
If your Foreign Policy is so wonderful then why the fuck do you keep losing your wars?
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What wars do you speak of specifically? Also those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, try focusing on your country before trying to weigh in with you cuckish comments here, for not doing so makes you look like a major hypocrite!
Name one that you didn’t lose?
You always answer a question by asking another question? I asked you first! You made the accusation so its up to you to support it!
Iraq, Libya, Syria isn’t going too well for you, and Afghanistan definitely isn’t. To name but a few?