Brexit Betrayal

I pointed out to Grieve on Twitter** saying that the referendum was a straightforward Leave or Remain, not a multiple choice to be judged by our servants (note that word?) in the HoC.

** I emailed my son ‘I’ve now got 8 followers.’ He mailed back ‘Four more and you’ll feel like Jesus.’ (equals the 12 disciples? :laughing: )

Update: I’ve just got back from Sainsbury’s and one of my ‘disciples’ has forsaken me. It must have been something I tweeted? :dizzy_face:

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Don’t really understand US politics but I’m not aware of there being any referenda on policy proposals recently. Do you know of any legislation that was put to a popular vote for approval?

I couldn’t agree more, Verhoffstadt not only thinks it but shouts it out in his speaches. I was a little surprised he made it so clear at the lib/dem’s conference this week.

The concern is even though the politicos are the laughing stock, what will the voters do about it. I have said it before there needs to be a list of all MP’s who represent councils that voted for brexit and those MP’s in parliament that have acted against their brexit wishes need to lose their seat. We can only wait to see the results in a new G.E.

agree, agree, agree sadly!

Here in California, on every election we have initiatives that are simple yes-no votes. Usually about half are bonds, where the legislature offloads non-controversial budget items so that they can hide the true cost of things.

The other half are a wide range of policy issues from the death penalty to limiting tax assessments.

This being California, like all other aspects of politics, it’s decayed into a depressing mess.

They had their whip removed when they voted against the Government in the Surrender bill. They will not be standing as Consevatives in the next GE. Sneaky one is May who obviously voted with the Government.

This should cheer you up. :wink: That witch has such a sour face!

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I was thinking more of the other parties mp’s who aren’t carrying out their constituents wishes.

Specifically the Labour MP’s. Most of them should not be re-elected. Their voters just need a credible alternative to vote for or as I suspect they will just not vote next time.

I will suspend celebrations until I see the final verdict :crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers:

That should shut her up - I’m sick of seeing her ugly mug. I wonder where she’s from? Obviously not from the UK otherwise she wouldn’t be so er, interested?

When all this parliamentary chicanery kicked off, and it dawned on me what the charlatans like Grieve, Hammond (haven’t those 2 gone quiet? I wonder why? lol) and the others were up to, I tweeted that where a Remainer MP is representing a Leave constituency, then ethically speaking, he/she should resign and put themselves up for re-election. None of them ever did. Well they wouldn’t would they, unless they were required to.

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“EU leaders told Boris Johnson he had until the end of September to present them with his new Brexit plan.”

Or else what? Let’s sit back for 11 days. :grin:

I didn’t dispute the fact that it was a direct democratic vote…just that it was one of the FEW EXAMPLES of same. We have democratic votes in the USA for mos every election and referendum. Only the Presidential election uses the Electoral College.

Direct Democrary is literally mob rule. That’s what mob rule means, the majority population gets it way. As opposed to representative Democracy where there are stopgaps in place.

Yeah, that’s going well isn’t it.

California has them regularly. They’re called Props (Propositions or Proposals…I know not which).

We have them in Georgia, but not as often. They’re put on the election as questions with Yes or No choices.

States have referendums regularly. There is no constitutional provision for a national referendum.

There is at least one proposal to amend the Constitution to allow for national referendums.

I suspect that the absence of provisions for national referendums in the Constitution is in deference to States Rights.

Democracy is only relevant when the outcome goes your way eh? You lot bleat on about lack of democracy over Boris prorogueing Parliament for 5 days more than usual, yet tou write off the biggest democratic vote of all, the 2016 referendum.

Oh the bastards will dream up something or other; it’s what bureaucrats do: when they realise the games up, and they won’t get their way, they’ll cobble together a ‘compromise solution’, or to use a more apt expression - a fudge, and fudges always go pear-shaped, It’d be a hoot (after all the doom and gloom hyperbole of Project Fear predicting ‘a disaster waiting to happen’) if the fudge is a disaster instead? DOH! :laughing:

There’s only one reason they want us ‘in’, and that’s to get their hands on our contributions, because without those £trillions, the entire EU project will crash and burn. It’s nearly there now??

I hate to say this but I’m still not ‘sure’ of Boris; I’m kinda 90% convinced, but that leaves a nagging 10% of doubt. There’s only one man in all this who has my total trust and that’s Nigel Farage, the best prime minister we never had?

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It happens at a state/local level,

1992 Colorado amendment

In 1992, the voters of the state approved a measure which amended Article X of the Colorado Constitution that restricts revenues for all levels of government Taxpayer Bill of Rights note provisions

Under TABOR, state and local governments cannot raise tax rates without voter approval and cannot spend revenues collected under existing tax rates without voter approval if revenues grow faster than the rate of inflation and population growth.

Revenue in excess of the TABOR limit, commonly referred to as the “TABOR surplus”, must be refunded to taxpayers, unless voters approve a revenue change as an offset in a referendum.Under TABOR, the state has returned more than $2 billion to taxpayers.

The allowance for spending to grow at the rate of inflation plus population growth means that inflation adjusted per capital spending generally did not decrease. However, spending growth could be interrupted due to an economic recession, in which case inflation-adjusted per capita spending did decrease and TABOR did not permit inflation-adjusted per capita spending to return to its pre-recession level. This was known as the “ratchet-down effect,” and it occurred in FY2001-02 and FY2002-03.

The ratchet-down effect was desirable to those who believed government was consuming too large a fraction of Colorado’s gross state product , and undesirable to those who believed government was consuming too small a fraction of Colorado’s GSP.

One of the reasons that Colorado economy has thrives, restricted government growth.

With the influx of liberal/progressives TABOR is being dismantled.