Brexit Betrayal

We’re a parliamentary Democracy, yes. Parliament is supreme, with no real competing wings of Govt. The supreme court here doesn’t make law.

The Brexit vote was a non-binding referendum. We are not a direct Democracy, we elect representatives who vote in our stead. If we don’t like the way they vote, we get rid of them.

The mob doesn’t make law. That would require constitutional reform. Claiming that “the will of the people” is being ignored is the same bleating that Democrats engage in when talking about Hillary winning the “popular vote”.

Parliament is supreme, end of. If someone wants a hard Brexit, they better look to get a lot of MP’s kicked out and replaced in the next election.

It’s amazing what the politicians with the help of the media can do. They pushed a sure to fail healthcare plan on the US and they will also push remain on the populace by claiming how much damage it will do to the country. Most people don’t bother to get beyond the headlines.

Translation…

Voters = mob.

You would do well in California politics.

Once again, it was a non-binding referendum. Not an election. And certainly not the way the law is made here.

MP’s get to vote the way they want. Voters are free to replace them.

But that is as honest as a deli selling a ham sandwich made with rotten cat meat. The company says… “Too bad. You are free to buy elsewhere from now on.”

Yeah… sounds like a good system.

There is one thing I could certainly agree with UKIP’ers on: Our first past the post system is a joke.

So the mob should rule?

I’ll put you down in favor of President Hillary Clinton then :wink:.

So you used an electoral college to determine the outcome?

I’m trying to make a simple comparison.

It doesn’t matter if Hillary Clinton won the most votes in the election. The EC is the way elections are determined in the US, not the mob.

It doesn’t matter if Brexit won the most votes in the referendum. Parliament determines the law in the UK, not the mob.

If you want to argue in favor of abolishing the electoral college to be replaced with a national popular vote, or abolishing Parliamentary Sovereignty in favor of Direct Democracy, have at it.

I’m pretty sure the founding fathers of the US had a few things to say about both, however.

I lost faith in this prick when he started spuing bullshit about global warming. There are thousands of Professors, Doctors and scientists counterring his views and yet we hear nothing of their opinions because they haven’t found celebrity TV status.
He isn’t a climate scientist nor climate expert and yet he gets to portray himself as such simply because he has done a few television appearances and now we find he is also against democracy.

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The socialists and communists long abandoned the class-struggle in favor of water carrying for the globalist elite. Real revolution does not happen through decades of middle-class proselytizing and ideological education, but through the brute will of the unheard. The Anglos are a lovely people, until we are not.

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Think about it
May and by extension the government have lost all authority and therefore are no longer in charge.
Government is all abt governing - if you can’t govern, its time to go
UKIP are irrelevent now, apart from - they will steal a lot of votes from remainers.
May isn’t and never has been in ‘‘charge’’ - she was always a straw man to be blamed when we ‘‘crash’’ out
Leaving with no deal was always the plan and thats what will happen, maybe not on Friday but soon.
The 1922 committee choose the leader and they will get rid of May when they are ready
A snap general election could solve a lot of problems for the Tories - Could introduce a lot of different ones too
JMHO and may be wishful thinking but fingers crossed

No. Britain is a police state with a democratic veneer. The semblance of democracy is a trick to keep the proletariat under control … it is a bit like when China creates new programs to support the unemployed so that they don’t rise up and create mayhem.

Yes they did. Unfortunately the majority was only something like 52%:48% and because the unusually high turnout was still only 85% that leaves a 15% quantity for manipulators to massage as they can. In practice the UK’s first past the post system also means that those who do not get out and vote are deemed to accept the result from those who did get out to vote.

Everybody in the government machinery, except for a sizeable few.

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Technically that is true.

Practically the government is not Parliament and can issue directives, a bit like Trump issues executive orders, to make things happen. The ministers in the cabinet (for US readers the ‘cabinet’ is a collection of senior ministers responsible for overseeing various government functions such as foreign affairs, military, health care etc etc) can bind the country into following certain courses of action.

For instance there was no vote in Parliament to endorse the movement of 3,500 troops into a state of readiness somewhere in London earlier this month. If there is a breakdown in law and order, such as 2 million people demonstrating for “Brexit Now”, those troops could be deployed to ‘protect the government’.

Perhaps they are learning from Macron!

Just as an aside EX if 17.5 million people had demonstrated maybe they would have some strength to argue for their second vote.
But if there are less people bothered about demonstrating for a second vote than the 17.4 million who bothered to vote leave I don’t think they have much of an argument :wink:

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Taxation without representation.

Actually it was an election with a non binding referendum. One would think that the MP’s would take notice to what the people who sent them to parliament want. To ignore them would might be a career limiting move.

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3 months shy of 3 years since we voted, they’re not going to let it happen.

From this betrayal one can only assume they actually want a roundhead/cavalier type situation.

From David Davis this morning

“Parliament’s authority comes from its democratic mandate. MPs have a duty to do what they believe is best, but they also have a duty to represent the interests of their constituents. They are representatives, not delegates. However, in 2015 Parliament chose by a majority of 263 to outsource the decision on our membership of the EU to the people. They made their decision. It is incumbent on Parliament to deliver on that decision.”