Basic Rights in the US

[Samm]

@SneakySFDude

@Samm

Personally, I think there is something wrong mentally with people who keep striving to make more and more money after they have achieved a high degree of financial security and comfort.

Do you not continue to strive to get better at your job?

Striving to get better at your job is not the same thing as striving to make more money than you need to be financially secure and comfortable. Besides, in most instances, the people who are best at their job are not the highest paid. Have you never heard of the Peter Principle?

[max-webster]

I think all politicians do Rurudyne, I’m sure it goes on in the state level as well.

and you wonder why nepotism is alive and well today.

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@Pragmatic

@max-webster

why is it a blanket statement? the regressive left wants everyone else who earns more than them to pay their bills

Because it assumes that the left is the only political side who seeks to use taxes to advance their agenda.

The right does that too. The lastest example is the wall issue.

If you are not advocating for higher taxes to pay for socialist agendas you are not on the left. But then, you obviously are.

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@Pragmatic

@max-webster

sorry, this makes no sense

unless Im missing something, so explain this

The right wants to use tax payer money to pay for a wall that unpopular. They are literally advocating taking our money to build a wall. How is this different that the left advocating for taking our tax money to pay for healthcare?

The “wall” is a one-time purchase. Health Care is forever. BIG difference.

[Rurudyne]

Many do, but Republicans don’t have the defenses that Democrats do. If some Democrat thinks there may be a political advantage any spurious charge against a Republican will be treated seriously, but an important enough Democrat can just about get away with anything.

The mafia didn’t protect their own like these extreme Leftists do.

[max-webster]

oh so true Rurudyne, oh so true.

[Samm]

@Conan

See this is where I differ from my follow conservatives. Personally I don’t think a person should pay one single dollar until his basic needs are met…and it’s up to society to determine what those basic needs are.

But that’s my opinion.

Which fits right in with a flat tax. Establish a base level of need (perhaps adjusted by area cost of living) and tax every dollar above that amount ($35-40,000?) the same for everyone regardless of how much you make.

[SneakySFDude]

However, approximately one month into the president’s partial government shutdown over a lack of funding for his United States-Mexico border wall, the latest Marist poll released on Thursday shows a 20-percent boost in his popularity among Latinos, with more than half (51 percent) approving of his job performance.

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@Pragmatic

I said healthcare should be a right. But it isn’t.

Well, until it is, it should not be funded by the tax payer as though it is. Even then, there is NO impetus in this country to fund rights. A right to universal healthcare would still mean access, not free.

[Pragmatic]

@max-webster

The government is shitting at a lot of things, so going by your game playing posts, then what makes you think thing that this smart wall is the best solution to secure the borders?

Now what I said was the government should fund building of the wall, whatever company they use isnt owned by the government, just like whatever company the Democrats would use to build the smart fence/wall whatever they call it wont be built by government and you know that, so why are you being a jack off?

Did the government build the post offices around the country? Did the government build VA hospitals?

Nope they did not… they hired contractors to build those buildings. However the government did manage those builds and managed them once they were built.

So if your premise is that government managed things are shit… then why would you want them to manage the building of the wall?

I don’t think that everything the government manages is shit. So I believe that they can deploy upgrades along the border. You don’t.

[Rurudyne]

The Left creates rights many times by funding them first. Once the teat is open for business and people belly on up the bar they’ll scream bloody murder if their goodies are ever threatened.

They create the circumstances for new hard cases to use in future advances of the Left. We saw this with Obamaharm and the weasels called “moderates” in the RNC pissed off the opportunity to prevent things from becoming entrenched.

Now the Left is building on that. These contrived ships have sailed situations are a speciality of the Left.

[max-webster]

@Pragmatic

Did the government build the post offices around the country? Did the government build VA hospitals?

Nope they did not… they hired contractors to build those buildings. However the government did manage those builds and managed them once they were built.

and your point is what?

@Pragmatic

So if your premise is that government managed things are shit… then why would you want them to manage the building of the wall?

The FDA, EPA , DMV and others are all jokes, Border Security agents are good people for the most part, I dont want to government to manage the building of the wall, I want them to fund it , not manage it, what is that you are finding difficult to understand.

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@Pragmatic

@max-webster

So leftist explain why a wall is unnecessary?

Don’t we have a “wall” already?

No. However, Democrats (at least a lot of them) voted to build several hundred miles of barrier in 2006. But back then apparently, walls were not immoral.

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@Pragmatic

You are giving me a lot of reasons why the government shouldn’t be involved in the building of the wall. But yet you want them to be. Seems strange.

National security, which by definition involves protecting the borders, and controlling immigration are both government mandates.

@Pragmatic

@asaratis

I saw that. I already responded. It shows the title and the results…not the question or the sampling parameters.

Find that and get back to me.

It’s Fox News, I heard it was a trustworthy site?!

There are screen shots with the questions or statement at the top

That is not what the screenshots show. The heading of each is a statement of the topic, not what question was asked. Also missing is the number of participants, how the poll was conducted and what the margin of error is. Most Network polls are notoriously brief and inaccurate.

But also you neglected to note along with the 43% for a wall, only 51% are against it. Given the margin of error of these kind of polls (3-5%) that hardly makes “the wall” (which nobody is proposing in spite of the words Trump uses) unpopular as you claimed.

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@Pragmatic

@Rurudyne

Better a shitty wall that keeps some out than a shitty welfare state that keeps many dependent.

Apparently we already have a shitty wall. Cons claim it doesn’t work. Now You want the government to build more shitty wall?

To the contrary, the primary barriers in place have been more than 90% effective in the areas where it exists and overall illegal immigration is down as a result. Building more barrier based on that demonstrated record is a very sound plan.

[Dr_Manhattan]

Yes it is a flat tax! Everyone pays the same rate! Please reread my statement !

[SneakySFDude]

I did and got it the 2nd time. Just trying to be helpful.

[Pragmatic]

@Samm

No. However, Democrats (at least a lot of them) voted to build several hundred miles of barrier in 2006. But back then apparently, walls were not immoral.

You contradicted yourself. You said know we don’t have a wall already and then said Democrats voted for one in 2006. Did it not get built?

[Samm]

We don’t have a wall. We have several hundred miles of primary barrier (some of which was authorized and funded in '06 and some of which predates that action) which leaves considerably more than a thousand miles of border un-barriered. Where that barrier is in place, illegal crossings have been reduced by over 90% demonstrating that they do indeed work. Do I have to draw you a picture?

[devauxt]

……………. No