Any other non-religious conservatives here?

This is from the Old Testament not the New Testament we are under a New Covenant now

Here are some people to help teach you

ROBERT LUISI MINISTRIES - YouTube
Bob of Speaker’s Corner - YouTube
Spencer Smith - YouTube

You may think God is not real but look into it you will find out even the people who hated Jesus Christ ■■■■ Pagans Romans all acknowledged the Resurrection

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Why do we have religion? Because man thinks that death is mysterious. Not one speck of objective evidence existed to substantiate any divine. Being.There are at least 14 other gods who have the same story and who rose from the dead…see HESUS… The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors - Wikipedia

I think for must people religious people religion/Christianity is more about how to live rather than avoiding death through eternal salvation atheist seen to always presume religious people use religion as a comfort over their own mortality I do not believe that to be the case

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Yes, I think you’re right. My wife is very active in her church, and I know many of her fellow church-goers. I think for them, it’s a social thing. I don’t mean only a place to meet with friends, but an institution which does good in the world, which doesn’t exist just to advance someone’s interests. Most of them don’t seem to really care about theology, and while they pay lipservice to an afterlife, I don’t think they really truly believe it. They are almost all of them very decent people, very tolerant … just what you would want the citizens of your country to be like.

Lets rethink this another way. You proclaim the left are “liberal fascists” but the irony is when you attack religion you give them power. Western civilization and the freedoms you enjoy was not made possible without Christianity. Now you advocate for a Godless society and how is that working out so far? When you attack the "the robes of society such as religion you essentially are supporting the Gramsci Ideology that is fueling the cultural revolution. In other words you support the Cultural Marxists edict. You can’t have it both ways! Even Doug understands that! Sure you can be a non believer but when you attack believers you contribute to a nations erosion of its values.

what a pile of rubbish! Christians have been the most violent and chauvinistic religious ideology for more than 2000 years. 99% of Christians have never read the blood thirsty bible or studied its history.The bible has broad appeal the the simple minded person, like other books of mythology.
I spent 18 months in Laos and Vietnam fighting Communist aggression. Afterwards I was a front line NATO recon pilot. I had many close calls and I assure you that god did not fly my aircraft.

OMG you actually read something here, than the usual shitty posts you put up on this sight! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The only pile of rubbish is your disingenuous response! Using false conflation as a form of satisfying your white guilt won’t do it either.

More crap from the usual source who needs a scapegoat than facing your own ghosts truthfully. Why not just make over sweeping generalizations with every other argument as well?

Because you have it all figured out and solved all the mysteries of the world? You know better than everyone else so much so you have to put down people for having beliefs? Yeah ok. What that says to me more than anything is that you haven’t quite been able to face down your own demons so blaming God for your self abandonment instead of taking responsibility is common pattern you so often exhibited he.

Must have hit a nerve because its obvious you are ignoring inconvenient truths that doesn’t support your rotting narrative of self loathing. Also its apparent you are seriously lacking depth in certain areas of educations especially in Christian theology to know or have the ability to acknowledge that what I am saying is actually the truth, regardless of what ever fking war you fought in. So what? Using your military experience is a pussy cop out, I served too, Boo hoo hoo, big deal!

Truth is you are contributing to the cultural Marxists and you fit right in with them with your emotional diatribe based on false pretenses! Try again because you are betraying yourself!

Provide me with one objective proof to substantiate your claims?

Take the greatest so called hard scientists. In each case, they had a “fusion of subjective and objective” experience in their mind and consciousness. Prayer and meditation can do this. Einstein wasn’t just using numbers, when he conceived relativity theory and it’s ramifications. Any seeking mind is prayer.

These are human mechanisms, and are only found in perception, conception and awareness. That in itself is the same prayer, meditation or focus.

Look at the story of Moses and the “burning bush” fasting and meditating on Sinai, the scripture says that he said God talked to him in the form of the burning bush. Taken literally it can sound goofy, yet vast leaps of mind,perception and conception is still cause and effect—the objective reality as it is. Ignorance is still ignorance and having profound visionary experiences, is an accepted means of contemplation, that awakens someone to a new truth or great math and science.

When Crick visualized the DNA molecule he was on LSD.

Things are not always as they seem,

When Jesus went into the wilderness, he had visions and saw Satan. it was objective reality when Buddha Shakyamuni sitting in meditation saw “all truths present to the mind”.

Certain practice of contemplation and concentration internally produces specific visionary experiences that all Cause and Effect and the meaning of fusion of subject and object.

Practice makes perfect.

Ultimately, basing true religious experience on the ignorant and feeble power of the common human mind to comprehend reality as it is, without the faith that opens up the deepest principle fails.

Actual hard won proof, replaces the lack of experience when subject and object becomes fused as one.
Something actually happens then during profound visionary experience. It becomes a deeper “science” free of mental chatter.

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Hmmm… that statement certainly has some factual basis if we are talking about the period from which it became the state religion of Rome, up until the Enlightenment.

But since then, Christianity has pretty much adapted to the rational, tolerant practices that the Enlightenment prescribes.

Yes, unevenly, slowly, maybe unwillingly, but it got there in the end.

Here’s a thought experiment: you are going to be put into a time machine, and inserted into a random country sometime between 1960 and 1990. Then, for a month, you will have to proclaim publically, loudly, that you are (1) a believer in the free market, limited government, and multi-party elections, and (2) an atheist. You will announce your intention to argue for these things and to win the population over to your beliefs and non-beliefs.

But which country you’ll be inserted into is not entirely random. You’ll have a choice of a random drop into

(1) a country where the official doctrine is Atheism (ie the USSR, its E. European satellites, Communist China/Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia); [We’d make sure that JBob’s previous involvement in, or rather over, some of those countries would be concealed, since some of the population there might not be willing to let bygones be bygones.]

(2) a country where the official religion is Islam; or

(3) a country which is in neither of the previous categories, but one where the great majority of the population are Christians – in some of them, Christianity even being the official state religion.

Now, I don’t know about anyone else here who holds those beliefs, but it’s obvious to me that your best chance of survival, by far, would be a Christian-majority country.

At the worst, you might be landed in some African majority-Christian country, but even there you could probably bribe the police to leave you alone. Almost anywhere in the other two choices would probably be lethal, especially if you landed in an Islamic country after the growth of Islamism.

My fellow atheists! Let’s thank … well, not God, but our lucky stars, or whatever … that we were born among and live among Christians!!!

The things your are saying here are the opposite of reality I actually feel sorry for you

here a non related video of a really bad religion we are lucky to have Jesus Christ teaching in this world
Should We KILL Hatun? Shamsi Says She’s Over There! | Chris At Speakers Corner SOCO Films - YouTube

I’m not an atheist, but I’m also not a church goer.
You are right about conservatism being a broad church, especially since most of America are mainstream conservative. Not all of us subscribe to the evangelistic angle of religion.

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I don’t recall the Christian Bible calling for the death of all non Christians, like the Koran.
Don’t forget it was the Islamic faith which created the original African slave trade.

Thing is, the violent Christians of the past are all dead and forgotten. But Radical Islam continues to commit acts of mass murder and terrorism.

And it’s hard for me to find any Christian literature that calls for homosexuals to be thrown off tall buildings and for housewives to not be allowed to work or even leave the home without wearing a burqa.

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God/Jesus floods the earth killing millions of people.The greatest act of terror and genocide in human history.

. Leviticus 20:13 the Bible says, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Exactly. Christian conservatives and non-Christian conservatives have a powerful common enemy.

As someone once said, in a similar situation, we must all hang together, or we shall all hang separately.

That (the great floods) is from the old testament Christians are under a new covenant I’m not sure if you are trolling or just completely ignorant

And for the homosexuals read this (Leviticus includes rules about offerings, clean and unclean foods, diseases, bodily discharges, sexual taboos, and priestly conduct. But the New Testament teaches that Christ’s death and resurrection fulfilled the law, which is why its many rules and regulations have never applied to Christians.)

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I guess I’m thinking in terms of Christianity versus Islam TODAY. Of course, homos are not executed in America like they are in Arab countries.

I agree about the flood. Of course, I don’t know how many people were living on the earth at that time.

Absolutely right.

Actually, the Muslims were once more tolerant than the Christians. Here’s a Muslim arguing that case:

Like the Christians, the Muslims are being affected by modernity. It’s just that it has come to them later, and not via their own internal efforts. But come to them it has, and it has developed many contradictory currents within the Muslim community.

We have to work with, and encourage, the modern, liberal-minded Muslims, just as we do the modern, liberal-minded (in the sense of tolerant) Christians.

And, in the political war against the Left, we may even find allies among old-fashioned ‘fundamentalist’ – although not jihadi – Muslims. I believe Dinesh D’Souza has made this argument at length.

There’s an interesting book by an American college student who dropped out of college not long after the invasion of Iraq, and joined the Army. He ended up in Iraq, and one day, on patrol, asked his Iraqi interpreter what the greatest change was in their lives, after we had overthrown Sadaam. His interpreter replied, “Now, we can get pornography!” I can understand a Muslim in his own country who does not want the sewer of Western, and particularly American, popular ‘culture’ dumped on his head.

Is this what this is about? Big Meaney god?

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Apparently! He is projecting his self loathing. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ya know that big dark black orb called a souless wonder? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: