We've been lied to. Surprised?

The New York Times and Washington Post contradict each other regarding the Nord Stream Pipelines. It means either one of them is lying. Or maybe both are lying.


Question is, who is doing the most lying?

All of them are equally lying but each have a different set of Agendas to achieve.

This colonel is not as Russia friendly as Col MacGregor or Scott Ritter. Yes, I agree that Russia is paying a high price in Ukraine.

As for 911, you’ll never get the full (and the correct) picture if you have swallowed the CNN narrative. Few people know that 911 was a Zionist job inside and outside the USA.

Intel documents leaked

I have my suspicions about these intel leaks. How do we know if these very same leaks is not a campaign purposely designed by the deep state in order to establish credibility? Smoke signs? Mirrors?

The Biden shit show officials are upset about the documents. That may mean something.

As Larry Johnson above says, intelligence agencies of various countries spy on each other.

Or they could be feigned in order keep appearances just as important.

100% authentic


Did they have any credibility to begin with? Hard to believe anything, anyone, anymore. :weary:

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Larry Johnson worked for the CIA.

What he is saying about the war in Ukraine is perfectly in line with the Duran guys. Alex Crhistoforou and Alexander Mercouris.


Lies are an integral part of national security operations. They seek credibility for government policy. They mislead adversaries, cover up mistakes and failures.

Above all, they are intended to secure public support for policy and defeat opposition at home. Political scientist John Mearsheimer has noted that governments don’t often lie to their allies and adversaries, “but instead seem more inclined to lie to their own people.”

In particular, secrecy and deception convey power. As philosopher Sissela Bok says, “Deception can be coercive. When it succeeds, it can give power to the deceiver.”

Secrecy allows policies to be tweaked outside public view. Insiders gain influence arguing for new approaches to the same goals. Even the goals can shift as interventions deteriorate. The political consequences of failure may be avoided.

It is rare for an official to acknowledge failure and reverse policy; personal, political and national credibility may be at stake. President Johnson insisted that he was not going to be the “first president to lose a war.” Bush, Obama and even Trump did not want to “lose” Afghanistan.

An act of political courage – like the 1960-61 Algeria departure decision of French President Charles de Gaulle, who understood France had lost its fight, is rare.

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Your government the biggest liars of all.

From Vietnam to Afghanistan, All US Governments Lie

By Gordon Adams | December 20, 2019

The Washington Post has, after more than two years of investigation, revealed that senior foreign policy officials in the White House, State and Defense departments have known for some time that the U.S. intervention in Afghanistan was failing.

Interview transcripts from the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, obtained by the Post after many lawsuits, show that for 18 years these same officials have told the public the intervention was succeeding.

In other words, government officials have been lying.

Few people are shocked. That’s a stark contrast to 1971, when the Pentagon Papers, a classified study of decision-making about Vietnam, were leaked and published. The explosive Pentagon Papers showed that the U.S. government had systematically lied about the reality that the U.S. was losing the Vietnam War.

The failure of the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan has been known for years. Virtually none of the U.S. goals have been met. These goals included a strong, democratic, uncorrupt central government; the defeat of the Taliban; eliminating the poppy fields that contribute to the world’s heroin problem; an effective military and police and creating a healthy, diversified economy.

The Inspector General has repeatedly documented the reality in its widely available (and widely reported) audits.

Despite this public record of failure, officials continued to trumpet political and military gains on the ground, even that the U.S. could prevail.

Privately, they have been wringing their hands.

Shades of Vietnam.

Sad history of Vietnam

The Pentagon Papers revealed that senior officials asserted in the 1960s that the Viet Cong were dying in record numbers, enemy leadership was decapitated and there was “light at the end of the tunnel.” Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and his commanders, who knew the reality, continuously called for even more force from 1961 to 1969.

H.R. McMaster, in his classic study of Vietnam decision-making, excoriated the military for not bringing the truth to President Lyndon Johnson, for presenting Johnson with the “lies that led to Vietnam.”

The U.S. was winning in Vietnam, until it was not. Right up to the moment diplomats in the U.S. embassy turned the lights off and were airlifted off the building’s roof.

Are comparisons justified?

Afghanistan is not Vietnam, it is said.

Former Afghanistan Ambassador Ryan Crocker argues that the U.S. must be in Afghanistan for America’s security even if reconstruction fails. Brookings analyst Michael O’Hanlon asserts that there were no lies; officials were clear the policy was in trouble. He avoids discussing the voluminous true statements The Washington Post uncovered that were not made publicly.

The U.S. was ignorant about both countries. Serving in the Obama transition in 2008, for example, I learned that Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, the Bush-Obama Afghanistan coordinator, was carrying out a policy review process that led to a military surge.

Now we learn, courtesy of The Washington Post, that, when interviewed in 2015 as part of Special Inspector General’s “Lessons Learned” project, Lute said, “We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan … we didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

While Afghanistan is clearly not Vietnam, Washington is still Washington.

Prevarication as policy

After more than 30 years of policy work, government experience, teaching and research, I see no mystery here. Concealment, deception and outright lies have characterized U.S. national security policy for decades – from the overthrow of democratically elected governments in Iran and Guatemala to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and more.

But Vietnam was the big lie, permanently exposing the gap between myth – the government knows everything better – and reality – that policy is failing.

Since Vietnam, the media and congressional, think-tank and scholarly investigators have suspected something with every intervention. To the public, the truth about Afghanistan has been clear; public opinion has been way ahead of what The Washington Post revealed.

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Just remember anyone who worked for the CIA are pretty much professional liars. Not saying Johnson is, but there is a certain degree of modicum of challenge and danger that most deal with when trying to confront the truth when previously sworn to secrecy.


Two wrongs don’t make right, as you say.

But somebody committed a minor wrong to expose a major wrong.


The documents are real. But the leak ABOUT them is fabricated.

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A Massachusetts lad, over and under he’s executed in four months, or held on pretrial for 20 years.

In English.
Scott Ritter on the leak, spying, US isolation.

Germany is a slave state.

Jack Teixeira has about 15 minutes to come out as gay or he’s going away for a LONG time.