Trump says he’ll sign executive order for free speech on college campuses


#221

I will speak plainly.

You (liberals) don’t like the EO because it gives conservatives back a fair footing on college campuses. You are hiding your dislike of conservative free speech behind what “ifs”. The fear is liberals have gained so much traction and come so far and now are going to share the platform, give freedom of speech to those they have fought so hard to repress and vilify.

Liberals are going to see this as unfair and regressive to their agenda. That is what the opposition to this is all about in a nutshell.


#222

They aren’t very good at thinking things through. My oldest daughter opined to me last Christmas that she doesn’t think the government should allow people to “say hateful things”. The look on her face when I responded, “So, you want to give Donald Trump and a republican congress the legal ability to determine what is hateful and stop people from saying it with the force of law?” was amusing to say the least.

She decided shortly after that she no longer wanted to discuss politics with me.


#223

Why? If it’s legal they have to allow it. You’re back to your earlier “balance” statement again which was already proven to be wrong.


#224

I find it funny that someone in support of Public Accommodation laws (which are inherently unconstitutional) wouldn’t support this EO which is Constitutional even though they’re basically doing the same thing just with different subject matter. Think 14th Amendment vs. the 1st amendment.


#225

Oh, they understand it. They just don’t like it.


#226

Yeah I worded that poorly. Pretending they don’t understand something that does pretty much the same thing as something they do support was my point.


#227

Prove it.

List the massive tax credits.

Want to talk about the tax credits for biofuels the federal government extended as they demanded Exxon produce bio fuels???

Want to talk about the 50 billion in tax cuts but ignore the 50 billion they said they would invest in the US??

Did you know Exxon is an international corporation with 55% of it’s business overseas?

ExxonMobil’s cashflow statement shows $4.2 billion in cash income taxes paid. The company says that in the decade to 2015 it made $82 billion in net income and paid out $110 billion in U.S. taxes.


#228

You worded it just fine.

The liberals just don’t want to hear a conservative point of view, nor do they want others to hear or be exposed to it.

It could get people to thinking and that is just not the way it should go.

Imagine if a scientist came into speak and logically laid out reasons against man made global warming. How many would be hearing that for the first time and give them pause. Dangerous stuff to liberals.


#229

The government makes more off gas than the oil companies do.


#230

The left doesn’t consider or care about the state and local taxes the oil companies pay nor the jobs they create or the Federal Income taxes they pay.


#231

This is not discriminating based on what some is (disabled). Are you trying to draw a comparison between being disabled and being conservative?


#232

Another poor comparison…

Are you drawing comparisons between discrimination based race/gender vs discrimination based on a political ideology?


#233

No, I am making a comparison of holding them to constitutional bill of rights standards, and withholding federal funds if they do not meet those standards, which should be patently obvious.


#234

Both examples are of constitutional provisions that started out being only applicable to the federal government but have since been incorporated against the states and of federal fund withholding being used as a tool to bring universities into compliance. You are of course being intentionally obtuse.


#235

BTW I am still waiting on examples of university employees infringing on the free speech rights of conservatives.

So far I’ve had @LouMan provide several examples OF STUDENTS protesting speakers and getting them removed. But I have not see where the university banned a conservative speaker because they were conservative


#236

Do you buy off on the liberal concept of “disparate impact”?


#237

No, those were examples of universities using the excuse of likely violence to pull the permits of conservative speakers. Such behavior should not and cannot be rewarded. If some students get violent over speech, they should be jailed, instead of the speaker being cancelled. You are advocating the rule of the violent mob.


#238

Ok.

You are showing how the federal government enforces compliance by withholding funds. So keeping it to that… this EO seeks the same. I got it.

I just don’t think the examples you used were very good ones.

This EO is just “feel good” EO with no real teeth or reason for existing. Which is fine… let’s just not pretend that it is anything more than that.


#239

There is plenty of reason for it to exist, Universities are infringing on free speech, no American should stand for that. But we get it, liberalism cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas. It requires government tyranny to flourish.


#240

Can you imagine the (justifiable)outcry from liberals if conservatives staged violent protests over liberal politicians speeches and conservative governors or mayors used that as a pretext to not allow them to speak? Does that help make the situation we are talking about clear enough for you or do you need more help?