What wicked minds
Sorry, I was way too late in any case.
Thumping defeat is a British saying implying a heavy loss. Being âthumpedâ usually means coming off badly the worse in a fight or similar.
If it is written in the Torah, as the premise to create Israel, then to justify its creation you must not doubt the 6mil figure. Israel is true.
Spot the strawman. The 6 million figure can be both in the Torah, and the actual number of the people who died in the Holocaust.
On that 6 million figure in Torah - what book, chapter and verse says 6 million would die? @Magog
So, while fighting a war on two fronts, and dealing with starvation and typhus epidemics, the Nazis used their superpowers to transport potentially millions of people to unknown locations and bury them without a trace. I mean, their powers are so uncanny, that even over 70 years later these people canât be discovered. Yet archeologists can find ruins, tombs, lost cities, etc. from thousands of years ago.
Youâre beginning to make me think that they were more magical creatures from another realm of existence, than members of a German workers movement from around 80 years ago.
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âsuperpowersâ
Nah, itâs called by train, or some other means of transport. On foot too. Civil society just doesnât stop because there is a war front many hundreds of miles away.
Many bodies were burned - you try identifying remains from ash that were scattered in soil. Good luck!
Heck, many soldiers died and their bodies were never found again, especially on the Eastern front - is it your contention that a body must be found for those soliders to have died?
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From the Nazis own records
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Yes, using trains that became useless when the allies started carpet bombing the tracks. On foot? How many platoons would you need to guard the move of that many people? Kinda hard to pull that one off when your manpower is being stretched so thin.
Bodies were burned. Unfortunately, nobodyâs really sure about how many. There were drawings of what the supposed extermination camps looked like, but they werenât open to investigation for an incredibly long time. At first all camps were thought to be death camps, yet all the ones investigated at the end of the war were found not to be death camps. Itâs only the ones on the eastern front that were controlled by Russia were claimed to be the death camps where thousands of people a day could be killed. But like I said, they werenât open to investigation, so theyâre just claims.
As far as soldiers dying. Well, hereâs the thing about that. The armies have the information of the troops that were deployed. Such as names, where they live, etc. If a soldier didnât return from combat, and someone in his unit could say within reason that he saw the other soldier die, or at least seemed to die, then thatâs good enough.
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4 million people killed in camps in 5 years.
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5 years = approx.1800 days.
That means per day the Germans would have had to on average transport a massive 2,222 people per day.
âŚand supposedly that requires superpowers??? Fuck off lol.
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Yes, using trains that became useless when the allies started carpet bombing the tracks. On foot? How many platoons would you need to guard the move of that many people? Kinda hard to pull that one off when your manpower is being stretched so thin.
Allied bombing of industrial railways didnât haunt the German war machine as they predicted it would. Bomber command (incorrectly) thought they strangle the German war machine with bombing.
Bodies were burned. Unfortunately, nobodyâs really sure about how many. There were drawings of what the supposed extermination camps looked like, but they werenât open to investigation for an incredibly long time. At first all camps were thought to be death camps, yet all the ones investigated at the end of the war were found not to be death camps. Itâs only the ones on the eastern front that were controlled by Russia were claimed to be the death camps where thousands of people a day could be killed. But like I said, they werenât open to investigation, so theyâre just claims.
None of them where death camps? Thatâs not true. Some camps were both a labour camp and a death camp. Nearly all started initially as forced labour camps.
As far as soldiers dying. Well, hereâs the thing about that. The armies have the information of the troops that were deployed. Such as names, where they live, etc. If a soldier didnât return from combat, and someone in his unit could say within reason that he saw the other soldier die, or at least seemed to die, then thatâs good enough.
The Nazis own records say millions were killed. Why is that not good enough if you take on faith the records about soliders?
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Trains came into the camps with box cars full of live people. Trains could easily leave with box cars full of bodies stacked like cord wood to the ceilings. You are so not astute.
The Germans have long been very efficient and rife with ingenuity. What you have considered here to be impossible could easily be accomplishedâŚespecially with nearly unlimited slave labor, rail systems and trucks.
Iâm not claiming to know what happened to the bodies. Iâm claiming that your posit that no bodies being found proves there was no mass genocide is unadulterated bullshit.
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I never said none of them were death camps. I said AT FIRST all camps were assumed death camps, yet the ones investigated by the end of the war were found out to NOT be death camps. It wasnât until much later that the Red Cross gave their estimate to the number of deaths that occurred in the camps to the east that were initially closed off to investigation, and they were nowhere near the totals that the narrative preaches of.
Yes, Iâve seen @devauxt share that pic where they compile the estimates. Itâs not like anyone would lie about it to save their own life or anything of the sort. Even in that pic, the two numbers recorded vary greatly. As well as the locations of the supposed dead people. Not to mention two other people that are mentioned to have assumed even greater numbers than that in their own documents.
American news papers were publishing stories about 6 million â â â â suffering as far back as World War 1 in an attempt to sucker the American military into a conflict they had no business being in (which sadly enough, eventually worked). Even German civilians were tortured (and some killed) after the second war to get false confessions that they were Nazis. Itâs truly amazing what people will say when they have a shotgun to their head, or a hammer about to be swung at their ball sack.
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I posted about that picture earlier, several people did, and here you are posting the same shite - again! Why?
You also said, âclaimed to be death campsâ. At no point did you say definitely there were death camps.
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So is it the story of they were cremated at the death camps, or they were carted off and buried somewhere that nobody remembers? Because I seem to keep getting people who just bounce back and forth between âit was the death camp furnacesâ, and âthey were buried in the middle of nowhereâ. When I provide a point that runs contrary to one, such as I donât believe they had the ability to cremate that many people in that span of time, it then jumps to âthey could have just buried them at some random location insteadâ. When I ask then why does nobody remember where they were buried, it jumps back to âthey were cremated so thereâs no remains!â
Lastly, no need for snide remarks.
Gee, I just love debate with imbeciles. (That is not a snide remark. It is sarcastically presented truth. You are an imbecile.)
Your claimed maximum rate of cremation has been debunked on this forum by testimony from German manufacturers of incineratorsâŚso your argument is bullshit.
Ashe can be disposed of without any way of determining their originâŚso your argument is bullshit.
Bodies can be transported off site and buriedâŚso your argument is bullshit.
That bodies may have been burned to ashes and bodies may have been buried are not mutually exclusive. Both could have occurred. (Both did.) So your argument is bullshit.
The term âforgottenâ when applied to something buried in hopes of its never being discovered does not mean that nobody remembers doing it. Just that they will never tell about it. So your argument is bullshit.
Iâm done with you and Magog discussing this topic. You are both incorrigibly dense concerning this issue.
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Sorry, just looked back in the thread and saw I missed that post. Oddly enough though, that little excerpt also states that the given totals post-war from Nazis canât be relied on, since most of the books were burned.
No worries, I frequently miss posts with the way this website notifies you. Other than that, the board seems well put together you. AnywayâŚ
I think people are too quick to judge an inability to land on a very precise figures for the number killed - and an honest admission of the limits of how precise the numbers can be - to a conspiracy to make up the holocaust.
The numbers are not precise because the records arenât precise. However ball park figures generally put a number of 5-6 million when considered from multiple different methods.
Maybe we find really clear records somewhere and it demonstrates numbers to be a million or two lower. The lower numbers matter, of course, but itâs still a genocide.
On a side:
I work with numbers and statistics a lot at the moment, and software which is supposed to give pinpoint answers that just donât. Iâm used to having to deal with estimates with fuzzy edges. So I donât immediately get skeptical when estimates vary. The inability to get really precise outputs actually breaks some people, the perfectionist types just canât deal with it.
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Unfortunately for you, my stance on the maximum rate of cremation has not been debunked. Given the monthly shipments of coke (fuel) to Auschwitz, and the conservative average estimate of 30kg of coke needing to be burned per corpse, there is no way they could have achieved the estimated 1 hour needed to cremate a body. Especially considering the severely malnourished or starving people. Since they have less proteins and fat to aid in the burning process, they would require even more fuel to burn. Topf engineers Kurt PrĂźfer and Karl Schultze estimated 1 hour per corpse with adequate fueling when interrogated by the Soviets in 1946. The monthly coke delivery notes from 1942 to 1943 show there would have been an average of 0.5-3.5kg per corpse usage in order to achieve the amount of cremations claimed in the 6 million narrative. Which is not possible. Everything requires enough fuel to get the task done. You canât power a city on hope alone. Lastly replacing firebricks as they deteriorate, and general daily maintenance to keep them fully operational would further reduce operational time of the furnaces. I guess if they did cremate that many corpses in such a short span with little to no fuel to do so, then it supports my theory that Nazis really were beings from an alternate reality with magic powers. Perhaps they were fire elementals in disguise? Ooooh! Wait! Perhaps they were secretly dragons!
As far as ash goes, if there was that much being produced, it would be noticeable. Whether they just blew it away, buried it, or dumped it into water supplies, people would notice.
Bodies can be transported and buried off site. I never denied that. The means to do so though, especially towards the end of the war when manpower was non-existent, supply lines and infrastructure were being destroyed as well, would have made it incredibly difficult to do so. The notion that potentially millions of corpses were transported to unknown locations and buried in such a short span by a skeleton crew is quite preposterous.
Also, I never said it was one or the other. When factoring in the impossibility of the amount of bodies needed to be cremated in order to facilitate the estimates for the known buried bodies, the burden of proof then lies on where the bodies were buried to provide credence to the 6 million claim. Since nowhere near as many corpses were cremated at the camps as claimed to have been, then those bodies had to go somewhere. They donât just magically vanish.
Youâre wrong about the term âforgottenâ. Forgotten meaning one failed to remember something that was deemed required for a task. Realizing you forgot your work boots at home, or you forgot your lines in the play you were acting in. I believe the word you were looking for is âlyingâ. Telling the opposite of the truth, usually for personal benefit or gain. But hey, not everyone can be as smart as me. So donât beat yourself up about it too badly. Much like the gymnast in this gif, you were fairly entertaining with your little temper tantrum as you thought you were marching to victory. But much like her, you failed horribly after all is said and done.
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Can you say democrat party
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