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Iā€™m beginning to think it would be highly impossible to get ANY WEIRDER !!!

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I think youā€™re basically on point. I wouldnā€™t waste much time with those that argue your fine points either. I canā€™t do much because Iā€™m 80, but I do have some supplies in excess of what I expect to use. A 20# bag of rice keeps forever and fleshes out thinner menus in an emergency, and half dozen giant water bottles that can be filled pretty quickly. Cans of this & that and generally more food inventory than ordinarily would be used. If it keeps, buy extra.

That includes home defense weapons, too. Those 30,000 Chinese immigrants are almost all military age men, probably just a coincidence? Thereā€™s a slew of Islamist running around, too, that hate us. The first indication of war will be no lights or phones, and next the utilities will quit. We need to be prepared for standing alone, for the most part, for some time. I live on a peninsula that has an airbase blocking the outside world, so Iā€™m lucky. Theyā€™ll be a target, but they can make egress a bitch.

Fortunately, China canā€™t survive without trading with the world, so that can temper their spirit a little. But, they are to be feared. If they see internal collapse, theyā€™ll shift into a war footing and Armageddon would be right around the corner.

You do know that Meritless Garlandish has promised to interfere wherever someone tries to require IDs? That has to be argued in court, but here we go again: To be allowed in a court you need to have ā€œstandingā€. In law that means you have an injury that can be remedied by the court. Dem Judges deflected many, many GOP attempts to correct this or that election fraud, via local judges denying them standing because the fraud had not yet occurred. After the fact, many denied standing on the basis that the GOP were not able to show that enough cases of fraud existed to change the election results, so, Get Out of My Court.

Now, I donā€™t know how, but the GOP has to find a way around that Catch 22 conundrum. We could use a few ideas here, lawyers? ??

Whatā€™s the biggest threat to America?

  1. China? Why would China bother with a declining power while China has an excellent trade partner right next door with natural resources China needs: oil, gas, gold, and other minerals. (On the other hand, if I was a Russian, I would be extremely nervous about China whose population is nearly 10 times greater than yours).

  2. Russia? Russia has always helped America, from the days of the American Revolution to WWII with the shared values in Christianity. It was the Russian sacrifice that turned the tide against the Germans in the eastern front after all. When General Patton purportedly said, ā€œWe defeated the wrong enemy,ā€ he didnā€™t mean that Christian Russians were Americaā€™s real enemies but he definitely meant atheist Bolshevik Joos who wouldnā€™t leave America alone.

  3. Muslims? What can they accomplish by causing trouble in America? Whatā€™s their population size in America? Who are Americaā€™s friends in the Middle East and elsewhere? The Saudis, Qataris, Egyptians, Pakistanis, etc etc.

  4. Whoā€™s Americaā€™s potential enemy and threat to its white majority? The enemy inside the government, banking, MSM and school teachers who brainwash children. Remember the would-be revolution in Seattle? Blacks and their agitators in wokeism.

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I hate to admit it, but I have nothing to add. :+1:

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The Chinese are always interested in business: making money, as Col MacGregor pointed out repeatedly. They never initiate wars which are detrimental to business.

The Chinese want to trade with America and Europe through the ā€œnew silk roadā€ that runs through Central Asia, Iran, Iraq, and Israel.

The Chinese are most annoyed by the Zionist provocation of Iran. So much for a politically stable state of Israel with the port of Haifa.

The movie ā€œCivil Warā€ may become a reality if the Dems play dirty again this November. Many (white) Americans are sick and tired of the fake Biden regime and wouldnā€™t take another 4 (or longer) years of this shit show.

Yes & No on China always interested in business, Hong Kong being the prime example. Times change, leaders can subvert the national interest; Biden has done it for money; Xi would for raw power. HK was one of, if not the most profitable entities in the world, all CCP had to do as to sit back and rake in the profits. Instead, they tied it in knots and the money that could exit, stage left, has; Flash: it will continue to leave as Chinese business families have allowed/sent the #2 or 3 Son to a foreign port or city to run an outreach of the family business for eons and have in-place these many businesses all over the world. There being a destination for their money in safe lands already, all they have to do is transfer what they can ASAP, quietly, and poof! Businesses as usual without the Motherlandā€™s reach.

If they were smart they would have made available all the resources of the mainland to Taiwan and given them a free hand to operate and, poof! Another HK giving them the TWO economic crown jewels of the world. It was right there at hand and they are blowing that. Can you imagine the wealth that could have been created with the acumen of the Taiwanese and the Hong Kong people operating the work force of mainland China and able to use their worldwide network of business associates? Thatā€™s what I thought they would do when I invested in a dozen penny stocks that made all the right noises around 2010, only to find they were all empty shells operated as money pits to steal foreign capital. They not only did everything wrong; they did wrong, too. Too bad, because they could have been as prominent and prosperous as any country in the modern world, perhaps #1 for a thousand years. Poof!

Speaking of some kind of civil war only invites the wrong kind of interest. No such thing can happen in a modern society with unending ability to track anyone, or everyone, anywhere or everywhere. No force worthy of the name can exist against the state now. Drones; traffic & security cameras everywhere with facial recognition, reading license plates, and monitoring purchases from coast to coast, the very best in the world equipment, -at scale. They couldnā€™t feed themselves for a week, or move around, much less take control of anything, or grow a force without being spotted as something going on to look into further. No communication to speak of without what, passing notes? It could actually be worse in the USA because we have many kinds of organized forces with guns that can operate at any scale, around the clock that would stick with the govt because they have sworn an oath and it would be difficult to win them over before the upstarts could get a foothold. The FBI & military has been churned to cleanse ordinary patriots already. On a civil war footing they would take off the gloves, what then? Look at how being in-power has allowed the worst American President in history who is also a bad person and has used the system to tie Trump in knots; -slipknots, yes, but the legal system takes too long to traverse the steps involved to break out of the web. Multiply that by a factor if they just ignored the niceties and killed at will. They would, you know. Trump needs to beat them via the system at hand. There is no other viable option.

ā€¦ā€œThereā€™s too much room forā€¦ interpretationsā€ā€¦ is a wild understatement, given yours. The likelihood of Islam uniting with Christianity somehow misses the kill the Infidel thing. Splitting Jews & Christians doesnā€™t wash, either; having a common Biblical origin with a relatively minor diversion by Jesus. There are diversions within Christianity, and those in Judaism, too; some wide, some not so wide. The adherence to a common set of moral values being an easy reason to bond in times of tribulation. We look around for allies in those times and move closer; not across the room.
Russia could indeed be a adjunct western ally, the impediment being the 70 years it has spent as a totalitarian state, then evolved to a mere oligarchy 30 years ago. There was an excellent opportunity to become just like us at that interface, but alas, the wrong leadership was elected that allowed the old guard like Putin to get a foot in the door. The absence of a legal system that could have prevented the accumulation assets at bargain prices from the unsophisticated people that were the immediate beneficiaries of splitting up the USSRā€™s Russian assets as they did. There was no central legal authority to safeguard the citizens, and one could assume now, looking backwards, it all went exactly as the old guard planned. So there are a few hundred insiders with millions and billions, and millions with zilch. This was predictable. Worse, we now see that there ARE times when outsiders should intervene in the matters of another state. Properly managed for the benefit of Russia and Russians as opposed to those few Russians, there were enough assets upon which to rebuild Russia into a vibrant free-market state.
Long ago, the world saw the need for a League of Nations to supervise the re-assembly of Humpty-Dumpty when the world doesnā€™t trust his former colleagues. That went so well that it was tossed and replaced with the United Nations which has worked like a stopped clock, and which history in the last 78 years has deteriorated. Name one success. Well, OK, name a situation in which it has screwed up less than if the situation had been left to festerā€¦ Iā€™ll wait.

I need to add here that the old guard being allowed to quietly crawl away from the crimes of the 70 years of Communism in Russia, only to re-emerge from their hidey-holes when safe to do so is EXACTLY what the Israelis are attempting to avoid in Gaza. Think about it.

Christian Armenians and Muslim Turks lived side by side for hundreds of years in peace in eastern Turkey, until the Crypto-Joo Ataturk staged a coup in Ankara.

Same for Palestine. Until Zionists arrived in large numbers.

Kazan, Russia, is another symbol of peaceful coexistence of Christian Russians and Muslim Tatars since the time of Ivan the Terrible in the middle of the 16th century.

The Chechen war is a tragic event in Russia which occurred courtesy of the meddling by the CIA. Same for Georgia (although Georgians are Christians).

There is no need for ā€œunificationā€ of Islam and Christianity for peaceful coexistence. You get the wrong leader and people start killing each other. (Plenty of proof in Europe. Does the American Civil War ring a bell?)

The whole teaching of Jesus is the denial of the Yahweh cult. (John 8:44)

Alekxandr Solzhenitsyn said 66 million Christians were murdered in the Solviet Union. And we know who the Bolsheviks were.

I am not a student of Chinese history and I never spent an extended period of time there. But I must say that old tradition dies hard.

The Middle Empire (aka China) demands obedience from the barbarians who must pay tribute to the Emperor, in appearance at least. Hong Kong as a British colony was bad enough, and Taiwan could continue to exist as a separate entity and flourish economically, but ā€œin appearanceā€ Taiwan must be part of the Middle Empire.

When we speak of China, or the Chinese, we really donā€™t have much relevance to the China or its people from before the 20th Century. Traditional China may or may not ever return in spirit, but communism is in the driverā€™s seat now and they will kill anyone who doesnā€™t play ball. I need to force myself to speak of CCP because thatā€™s the who that is the decision maker and they only acknowledge the Chinese part when it conveniently fits their narrative, like when a historical event can be used to explain why something really belongs to them. Eventually the eastern 30% of Russia will fall into that category. When it conflicts, theyā€™ll kill anyone who fails to adjust their modern view. Every murdering would-be conqueror like Xi harkens back to the borders at their furthest extent when they pine & plan for taking something ā€œbackā€ that now belongs to someone else. For China thatā€™s a 3,600 year history that includes many separate Empires, more than half of which were ruled by Mongols. So the outer limits can go from the Bearing Sea, west to some of all of the current countries ending in ā€¦estan, south to parts of Siam and east to all or part of the several Seas and the Pacific. Just guessing, the whole Pacific would only satisfy the commies long enough to consolidate protestors. Their archeologists could dig up 5,000 year old references to contiguous lands across the Urals, Himalayas, Caucasus, Balkans, Carpathian, and Scandinavian Mountain ranges. If you canā€™t beat them with soldiers and bombs they can say and lay claim to anything they want. Communism is decidedly un-Chinese.

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Iā€™d say China has capitalism wearing a mask of communism. It was the Rothschilds who financed Mao and his gang to take over the country.
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Their rule did not last long, and the Mongol values and traditions never became an integral part of Chinese thoughts.

Kubilai Khan (Genghis Khanā€™s grandson) consolidated the rule over the ethnic Chinese and turned Korea into a tributary, but his expeditions to Japan, Indochina and Java (if it ever happened) all failed.

No, he was not interested in more territory to rule but to consolidate the rule of China. He had more respect for the Central Asia peoples and used them extensively in his administration. He even built a mosque in Beijing, the capital he built, where he joined the Muslims during their important festivities.

Absolute truth. The Chinese are ultimate ego-centrics. Communism is Russian in a good sense. The Russians are a people of communities with built-in devotion to it.

Siam doesnā€™t exist anymore!

Just curious, have you lived in China for an extended period of time and speak Mandarin?

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I think youā€™re getting too much Google and too little history. The Chinese like to speak of 5,000 years of history, and that may or may not be representative of ~history~ or even just ~civilization~, but perhaps an X factor length of occupation of lands lacking other kinds of people. But that may be a stretch, too. There are several ethnic groups of ā€œChineseā€ and we are most familiar with the Han, Manchu, Tibetan, Uyghur, and Mongolian people, but China is a western word just like America is a European word for the place full of Indians, a western word. How many tribes of Indians were here? Whose name do they put on themselves and this place? How do we characterize all the other distinct ethnic groups all the way down to the other end of the other America? It has been conventional ~wisdom~ that they all came over the Bearing land bridge at the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago, so their civilization is 10,000 years old? How far back do the Pueblo go? There is nothing left of them other than the caves. There seems to me to be a substantial difference in racial features from one end of this America to the other end of the other America, and the Eskimos prefer to called their own name and didnā€™t need no stinkinā€™ land bridge, either, the ice age was just another long-ish winter. See where this is going? Thereā€™s a lot of westerner white eye pseudo-knowledge that needs to be updated with ~insider~ correction, for the record. You can stretch this ā€œthemā€ business to include a lot of people who donā€™t want to grouped together. And leave out a lot that shouldnā€™t be left out. Are there any bases that I didnā€™t cover? I donā€™t feel this is like a homerun.

Perhaps, we could corral our politics to a less than 100 year window and stop with this Googling esoteric little ~wisdoms~ that send some of us off on a tangent like a poorly aimed cue ball. A lot of arguments are self-defeating putting the 8-ball in the wrong pocket and scratching, too.

I misrepresent myself as often as convenient and lie occasionally, but I am uneducated other than what I pick up in comics. I spent a year in Nha Trang, Siam, but the NVA thought I should go home and take Yul with me.

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You sound like someone I used to know.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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The word ā€œChinaā€ comes from the ā€œQinā€ Dynasty, whose emperor is called the First Emperor. Qin extended its territory to the coast of the East China Sea. Qin's wars of unification - Wikipedia
Older civilizations were discovered archaeologically in recent years which existed to the southeast near the East China Sea as well as South China Sea, probably speaking different languages, but these distinct civilizations have been gobbled up as China expanded through various dynasties, most notably the Han Dynasty which lasted 400 years from the 2nd century BC to 2nd century AD, and then the powerful Tang Dynasty from the 7th century AD to 10th century AD.
Tang dynasty - Wikipedia

Without going into details, I say this: The Chinese Empire grew by absorbing various ethnicities and cultures surrounding them, becoming an amalgamation or hodgepodge of various cultures.

Only those nations who fought successfully the onslaught of this powerful political and cultural entity retain their identity today. The Koreans, Tibetans, Mongolians, Vietnamese and Japanese. Other numerous nationalities were lost in the bottomless ocean called China. The Manchurians and Uighurs along with other minorities in the southwest are being gobbled up as we speak.

In this regard, China is the New World Order in its own light.

Yes, there were technological, artistic and other developments coming from China, but New World Order is New World Order. It inevitably stagnates because its essence is not humanity, but materialistic prosperity and concentration of power.

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Thank you for your service ! Been there done that . :rofl: :joy:

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Yes to all of that! There were some periods in which the Chinese made enviable advances in technology and enlightenment, but all civilizations suffer thru ~consolidations~ of social order which are similar from pole to pole; power maintained by killing anyone who doesnā€™t go along with the program. The New World Order is just the latest name for the same old murder. If & when the Chinese people are allowed, theyā€™ll go back to the traditional China. With glee.

One little thing that vexes me is how little freedom and free thinking are valued by humans. It slips into and back out of vogue, here and there thru history. Watching the children protesting in the finest Universities of the USA like lemmings rushing into a sea of authoritarian Islam in the face of history astounds me. Itā€™s as if there is no history of the Middle-East, the Holocaust, no western culture, no way to discern good versus evil; everything starts somewhere in the last year and the details are unclear. Children in their 13th year of education who know nothing; taught by Professors who only teach agendas.

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