Which claim did I make?
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Ahh - here we have another person who needs to explain the difference between opinion and fact to this one.
We probably disagree on everything politically, but we can agree on this. Welcome!
Oh trust me, I’m used to it at this point. Actually to be frank I’ve been thankfully devoid of it for like 9 or 10 months at this point due to certain people not being allowed to post where I tend to like to do so. I appreciate the welcome but I don’t intend on staying here very long. Not really my cup of tea so to speak.
We probably do disagree on a lot of things. I’ll debate vigorously on a particular issue, but I draw the line where someone asserts they are the absolute alpha and omega on anything and no matter what they say can’t be challenged. Who the fuck does that anyway?
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Well I never have so what the hell are you talking about?
This is just a pissing contest, as both of you are right and one argument cancels the other.
Getting back to the topic of 2020 “Census” I thought the whole point was to get an accurate count on non citizens residing in the country? Why this is being challenged in states like New York and California is simply because of redistricting from number of representations that will guarantee Federal funding! If the question itself is precluded which it looks like it is then it all but insures that those representations will be vastly skewed in certain states favour! There are other ways to get around this though by using the commerce Department to adjust the data and correctly reflect the current demographics of citizens and non citizens living in the US.
This is nothing more than an argument on semantics and what is to be interpreted as such, however you do raise an interesting question one in which has no definition of concise language.
I reference said thread. I’m sure you have read it.
Quote a post from me anywhere where I’ve stated i’m the absolute authority on anything.
I’ve never made such a claim, I rely on quality sources for my facts and unlike many of you I can distinguish between fact and opinion.
You sir are correct in a certain way, except one of us that you were referencing will never accept the other is right in any way. Don’t believe me look at the post above and just watch the posts that happen after this one.
Either way you are right back to the point of the thread. Didn’t mean to derail the topic itself, I illustrated precisely what I meant to tonight. Continue on.
My question to you is: what is your position on non citizens voting in the National elections?
Good question. Non citizens are not allowed to vote in National elections, legally anyway. They shouldn’t be allowed to and by and large they aren’t, don’t, and can’t There are a few sporadic cases where someone actually does and they are generally caught and it makes the news. It’s so low in fact it may even be considered statistically insignificant. Note: This isn’t me making an absolute claim this is an observation I’ve made personally based on what I have read. And yes I know there is plenty of conspiracy theories that will state the data is quashed and so forth.
Either way the simple answer to your question is I don’t support illegals voting in national elections which they aren’t allowed to. I don’t support them voting in state elections. I don’t however have a huge issue with them voting in say a local school board election. You might take offense to this and I’d understand that, but the way I see it is, yes they may be here illegally, but their children may have been born here which makes the children legal citizens. What parent wouldn’t want to have some say in how their legal children are represented in a school district they attend? Even if the parent were deported, that child is still a citizen the same as anyone else, so it only makes sense those that can advocate for them could do so.
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Thanks for providing that information, and for the most I don’t take issue with anything you stated! The reason why I asked was because when researching your earlier argument this particular issue also popped up in my search inquiries as I think illegals voting in national elections is happening and it’s significant enough to cause for concern.
However the part about local and state elections is not specific in the constitution where it says non citizens can not vote, as States make that determination. So preferably I am not in support of non citizens voting in local elections but can’t really argue this issue if legal locals are unwilling to challenge this particular issue on the basis of their current laws!
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Well, the Census is now useless in determining congressional representation.
Done and out.
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I’m not discounting your concerns nor dismissing them out of hand. I think what happens too often is people take anecdotal evidence and inflate its usefulness. One could scour Google and find a case where someone who was illegal voted. We can see and hear that if looking hard enough because it’s confirmed. So then ones slides into worry about things they can’t prove, thus this paranoia about mass illegal voting most recently pandered by the president, albeit out of reasons of ego that he didn’t secure more votes total than Hillary.
There was an entire commission headed up by none other than Kris Kobach awhile back tasked with discovering some mass illegal voting scam, and it was such a massive failure that it was disbanded without conclusion or report totally. Does that mean anything to you?
Not really. The census will be done as it has been done before. By persons as is stated in the constitution.
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Ah, a science denier.
So noted.
Science says the census, absent a specific question is useless in determining congressional representation?
You are going to have to rephrase your hypothesis in this case because it doesn’t match your previous statement.
I’d go along the lines of “the census is useless in determining congressional representation based on the citizenship of this country” That would actually work so thank me for doing your work for you. However as has been previously pointed out in this thread, that isn’t what the words of the constitution state.
Please, don’t let me speak for you, opine.
It doesn’t mean anything to me because in that particular commission there were other issues that prevented it from being effective to gather the necessary info. It did find cases in Texas, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia of Voter Fraud but not by illegals but by Democratic operatives and representatives.
Then there is the issue of vote harvesting by states like California and a few others that calls into further skepticism about rigging elections. States like California, Oregon, Illinois and New York where they made issuing Drivers licenses to illegals without a citizen designation on the license themselves lawful which leads to further questions and suspicions of illegals voting in national elections. Recent discoveries from Judicial watch in such states makes a strong case in which that is exactly what is happening and begs further the question on whether it will be investigated!
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Then you are talking about two totally separate issues respectfully.
If you are talking about voter fraud by party, then you have to look at issues such as those most recently uncovered in North Carolina where a ballot harvesting issue was so bad it caused Mark Harris to not be certified, you no doubt know he is a GOP candidate.
If you are talking about votes being cast by illegals. I haven’t looked tonight and I’m not being lazy but I doubt you’ll find much if anything about that. I’ll do so tomorrow if you wish to continue this dialog. I don’t contend it has never happened, only that it really is very insignificant as in so small even in the most unlikely of circumstances it could ever actually affect an election. And further given that chance there is equally a chance that the opposite has occurred to counter that such as the lady who illegally voted twice on the fear her vote would be cancelled out by an illegal voting which also was prosecuted in the last year or so.
Yes I am talking about two about separate issues but outlining voter fraud from a cumulative aspect all adds up to the rampant abuses of the system already!
I take no issue with this regardless of party affiliation, the law has to be equally applied! I am a Lawyer by profession, granted not one specialising in voting laws and rights, but the same oath applies when interpreting law, that justice is blindfolded with equal scales and that will always be my disposition when looking at such cases.
You probably won’t and I will concede that it will be hard to prove, but when you take into consideration there is no mechanism for a voter to prove citizenship other than a Drivers license when lining up at the voter booth, then it’s not hard to conceive that illegals are voting in the national elections!
Why do you think blue states are so adamant about issuing Drivers licenses to illegals and are legally challenging certain states that support a national voter ID law? I have yet to hear a cogent argument on the latter as to why a national voter ID requirement is racist, or unconstitutional when such issuance of proposed ID requirement would be made available free of charge!
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Wow, you actually are a breathe of fresh air, and I will state its nice to actually have a dialog with someone who actually addresses certain points without getting all mad and tossing insults even if we don’t see eye to eye. I honestly didn’t think I would find that here and that is after months of just watching. As I stated before it is late and as I can see you have put some good thought into the points you have brought up, I would like to do the same in response, not easy to do at nearly 3 in the morning for sure. So I will give you a response later today, just didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you.
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