Medical marijuana and Firearms

Jeeesh indeed. :roll_eyes:

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Iā€™m glad for you, that you are so wealthy that you can have everything that you put in your body tested by the most learned medical scientists in the country to make sure itā€™s safe, but MOST people canā€™t afford to.

I donā€™t post here to make you or anyone else think better of me. But I have to wonder, why are you making this personal? Is it because you have adopted the name of a prescription drug that has become shown safe enough by the FDA to be sold over the counter, as your user name? :stuck_out_tongue:

Just because the government overreached before (several times) doesnā€™t make their current overreach any more Constitutional.

I shouldnā€™t have made it personal, my apology for that. We manage to have most consumer goods tested for safety without the feds help. You donā€™t have to be wealthy to subscribe to consumer reports. Doctors and the medical field arenā€™t going to stop studying the safety and effectiveness of medicines if the FDA went away.

In addition pharmaceutical companies would have reputations people would pay attention to. If company X has a history of putting out safe and effective drugs they have thoroughly tested they would have a good reputation, if they put out snake oil their reputation will be destroyed. People donā€™t pay attention to that now because they believe the government is paying attention to each drug for them so they donā€™t have to.

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Yeah, there was a time when I agreed with that. Then my father in law got terminal cancer. I can see the benefit and I can see the argument against it. Personally, I donā€™t give a damn what people do but like alcohol, if youā€™re stoned and have a firearm on you (just like if youā€™re drunk with a firearm or drunk driving a car), there should be some ramifications.

Think about it. If medical marijuana was as good as itā€™s made out to be donā€™t you think the Pharmaceutical
companies would be lobbying Washington day and night trying to reverse the laws? The reality is the Pharmaceutical companies are not lobbying Washington. Reason being, there is no profit in it.

If medical marijuana were ever to be legalized on a National level it would be sold from behind the counter of drug stores and sold in pill form. It would contain high levels of CBD and extremely low levels of THC. Getting high from it would be next to impossible.

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That word is becoming scarier each passing day, need to flip it.

No reasonable libs should support third trimester abortion. :wink:

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Except theyā€™re specifically lobbying to keep it illegal so they can sell their own synthetic version instead. To say that thereā€™s no money in it for them just shows how clueless you are on the subject. Itā€™s all about the money. Why would Big Pharma want to try to compete with John and Jane Doe who can literally grow a better product in their own backyards for cheap or even better free when they can just pay the Feds a few hundred thousand to keep them from being able to?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/24/a-pharma-company-that-spent-500000-trying-to-keep-pot-illegal-just-got-dea-approval-for-synthetic-marijuana/?utm_term=.33118e226cfb

Trust me if there were money in it Big Pharma would have already had the law changed and would be selling it.

What you fail to consider is. Once itā€™s legalized on a federal level medical marijuana will not get you high. The THC percentage will be too low.

You as all of the others know the main reason for the push for medical marijuana is for the high. You take that away and most will have nothing to do with it.

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That and the long approval process.

Stare Decisis.

Unfortunately the courts disagree.

I would suggest that proprietary license giving the drug companies monopolies on the drugs they develop is the primary cause of high drug prices. For example, remember the fiascos over the huge price increase on Epinephrine pens, and insulin? Those were both regarding drugs that had been approved and on the market for many years. In other words, it had nothing what so ever to do with love ability or the lengthy approval process. It was all greed ā€¦ they raised the price because they could.

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That ignores everything else they have had in or currently have in development.

Last I checked it cost over 2Bn to bring a new drug to market, those companies have to make the money somewhere.

Pharmaceutical liability is also a major contributing factor, the money from the settlements and lawsuits is made up out of what would otherwise be profits.

Personally I thought those prices were reasonable. I certainly wouldnā€™t complain about paying six hundred bucks for a drug that saved my kids life. Itā€™s not like you use one every day. I mean you pay that much to have a bathroom sink installed.

Know what a patent is?

The drug companies develop a drug.
The drug company gets a patent on the drug so no on can copy it.
The patent is 20 years.
The average time to market is 13 years.
The average cost to bring a drug to market is 13 years.
7 years to recoup 5 billion bucks and cover the cost of the 4,999 drugs that failed in testing.

The episode pen?
Purchased by Mylan for 6.6 billion bucks in 2007.
How many episodes pens does it take to make 6.6 billion?
Other companies refused to develop an epidemic pen option due to the low cost/profit margin.
You also forget the government involvement in the mess. Like the 2010 FDA change to distribution. Like the 2012 law sign by Obama making all schools purchase episodes pens increasing demand.
Thereā€™s always the rest of the story.

You can look up the insulin issue yourself and there is always more to the story other than the headline you read.

Did you even read my post or the accompanying articles? They donā€™t want the law changed. They are lobbying to keep the law from being changed. They would have to compete with legal marijuana. Again, you are clueless. They have a patent on synthetic marijuana. They can not get a patent, trademark, or copyright on the kind that people can grow in their backyards if its legal. They make money by keeping it illegal, not legalizing it. It has nothing to do with ā€œgetting high.ā€ If the kind you can grow is illegal, they can still sell their synthetic version and make money off it. People are also far less likely to buy their synthetic version if the real stuff is legal.

Stare Decisis, brought to you by judges friendly to those in the pockets of Big Pharma. As if that makes it ok. :roll_eyes:

Yeah, but then you are rich enough to hire independent experts to verify the safety of everything you ingest. Most people are not. When the price of an EpiPen suddenly went up sixfold, it put the lives of thousands of people at risk.

The bottom line is, those drugs had already been approved and had been on the market at a much smaller price for many years. Neither the potential for litigation nor the costly approval process was behind the huge price increases.

The episode pen?
Purchased by Mylan for 6.6 billion bucks in 2007.
How many episodes pens does it take to make 6.6 billion?
Other companies refused to develop an epidemic pen option due to the low cost/profit margin.
You also forget the government involvement in the mess. Like the 2010 FDA change to distribution. Like the 2012 law sign by Obama making all schools purchase episodes pens increasing demand.
Thereā€™s always the rest of the story.