I am not pushing anything or challenging anybody, that is for others. Make no mistake, if it comes down to it, I can go off grid instantly and sustain my own. I do not need money because I have skill and I can barter work.
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At the way things are going those skills are going to be the dividing line between us and them. I feel like our side can make it. Theirs can’t.
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Yeah and I have a solar farm, 12,000 watt. I pray I never need to defend it.
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Chances are if you live in a space that can accommodate all that you won’t need to. I am a rural Virginian by birth and being raised but I am stuck in a dang city at the moment and I am getting the family ready for a downsize and change in lifestyle because living among all these people who want to take our rights away just isn’t sustainable. I don’t care how much they want to pay me. Time to go.
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We are hoping and praying for all of you here in Canada.
I’m not. You’re right, at the very senior levels they are more political animals than soldiers.
They aren’t the guys who would be tasked with kicking in the doors to seize weapons.
Across the board polling of LE and Military rank and file show them to be about 70-80% republican, conservative, or libertarians. You can also look at the demographics of where our service members come from which are primarily rural area and southern states.
Any attempt at large scale confiscations will fracture the ranks of both the miiltary and every LE organization in the country.
People seem to forget or are largely ignorant of the fact that at the outset of the US Civil war the same thing happened and the troops from the southern states were simply allowed to leave.
Democrats are the enablers of ANTIFA and similar organizations, unless they are committig egregious felonies with bodily injury or death generally they are given a free pass.
The gun rights protesters in VA will not be given the same consideration. The left is praying for violence and bloodshed at the event to justify even more draconian gun laws.
We need adults running things or they are going to undo ever gain we’ve made over the last 30-40 years and turn public opinion overwhelming against us.
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Showing up armed in violation of the emergency order is exactly what they want. Don’t give them the victory.
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Perhaps you aren’t understanding the order. It only applies to Governor Blackface’s fenced in corral. Outside of the fence line open carry is legal and permissible.
It will as long as the bomb throwing idiots don’t get their way.
That’s what we’re discussing.
Showing up obviously armed period inside or outside is just going to add to the likelihood this all blows up and the anti gunners win in the end though.
Yes, because having a gun rally without the guns doesn’t signal defeat at all.
It’s not a “gun rally”.
It’s a protest against anti 2nd Amendment laws and actions by the state.
Okay, it’s a bit of rhetorical overkill.
Here’s the problem: we don’t trust each other any more. Fifty years ago, some restrictions of the frightfulness of personal weapons, the idea of a red-flag law … would have been acceptable to almost everyone. And was, if you read the history of this dispute.
But now … we just don’t trust each other to administer laws fairly. So my side, anyway, has nailed its flag to the post on things like red flag laws because we can see them being used as psychiatry was in the late Soviet Union, a way of dealing with dissidents without openly condemning them for their political views. In the eyes of most Progressives, we’re all “white supremacists” now … and who would want such people to have guns?
We interpret the Second Amendment to mean, arm the citizens against the possibility of a tyrannical government, and your side interprets it to mean, arm a well-regulated militia to protect the (free) state.
I absolutely understand the concern about mass shootings. And I agree that, for the average American, this is what is driving their concern.
But I think that if you really want to end them, you’re going to have to MUCH further than just banning rifles which look scary, or greater-than-ten-rounds magazines. You’ll have to do what the British did, starting in 1919 when the British ruling class was worried about Bolshevism infecting their (easily-armed) working class, and make it very difficult to get ahold of any firearm at all. I think that’s nearly impossible, as a practical matter, in the US.
I have toyed with the idea of meeting your side half way – going ‘Swiss’, where my side – worried about a future tyranically government – could have easy access to serious weaponry (ie. military light infantry stuff, not just battle rifles), but by being enrolled in something like a greatly-expanded State Guard, with the crazies excluded, and the weaponry in a secure neighborhood arsenal. But I don’t think that it would fly with either side.
Yes. The tricky situation would be something short of full, Cuban-style confiscation. I think the other side are going to use salami-tactics, as the Communists did in seizing Eastern Europe.
Also: if Congress is roughly fifty-fifty on this issue, it will make it very hard to get the military to carry out draconian confiscations. What I worry about is a situation where – given the first-past-the-post nature of our system – we are 45% and they are 55%, but they have overwhelming majorities in the representative bodies, plus the mainstream media.
Add to that configuration, some sort of dramatic, emotional event – say, a rightwing crazy slaughtering a hundred Latino kindergartners with his AR15 – and the stage could be set for a dramatic escalation.
In the meantime, though, we have to hope that there are enough voices like yours (and mine) keeping the hotheads down. This demonstration is gonig to start in a few hours and I’ll be glued to a real time feed from Richmond.
Well that honesty is appreciated.
Disarmament is certainly possible, it’s just not spontaneously. It would take a long time. Starting with all those that would willingly follow the law and turn them in, buy backs, mandatory surrenders all would sweep up a certain amount of firearms. Moving forward, every time law enforcement encounters a citizen with a firearm it’s confiscated. Firearms are no longer distributed and sold in stores as they are everyday all across the country. Firearms and ammunition becomes available only for law enforcement and military.
Firing ranges are closed across the country, no gun parts manufacturing, sales or distribution. Etc., etc…
Personally I would be opposed to house to house searches and seizures, with the POSSIBLE exception of a place like Chicago, IF NECESSARY.
Sure, some die hard and more paranoid type would keep their guns, burry them in tubes, stash them in the attic or whatever. But those aren’t the guns that are going to cause the problem to begin with., and again would be confiscated if they ever brought them out.
Live streams are up and embedded at the top of the page.
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Which is why China is biding their time. A house divided can not stand, it’s too cliche, but too true…
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