Jeb Bush: Trump needs Republican challenger in 2020

Here is more proof!

Well then you are not very well informed and I suggest you educate yourself on this subject matter. I also agree that maybe taking a poll on this site probably is not very accurate, but I just threw it out there as a small sample size. Believe what you want, but it is obvious you are biased on this point and I am just stating an opinion here, take it for what it is. Like I said in my opening salvo here, I go with facts, not terms like subjective to make a point.

That is not true. We just don’t agree on many things and so far you haven’t been able to convince me in your arguments that the things you believe in is better for the country. That is what having a discussion is about, exchange of ideas, or convincing each other in a mutual exchange of ideas what is better. So far it seems you want to get rid of the EC, have a socialist style of governance, and other things. I simply don’t agree and you haven’t really articulated why it would be better. So we can just agree to disagree, that shouldn’t be a problem, but you should at least be a little more honest and admit your views are not exactly in the middle, that you lean left in them. At least I can respect that! Don’t go all snowflake on me now! Lol.

Oh I am sorry. Judging from your statement what is one to glean from your words? Were you not inferring you are moderate with this statement? If you don’t fall on either side of the political spectrum, then what is it called if you are not a moderate then?

Lastly, I genuinely want to have a discussion. So I will invite you to come on this thread and put your ideas to the test. I have a open debate on Conservatism VS. Progressivism and you are welcome to defend your ideas here, and I think it would be fun. You seem to be an intelligent guy, so that is why I am extending the invitation to you. As you can see many liberals here are too scared to defend their ideas, and I wonder if you would champion the cause of Progressivism and expand on its ideology.

2 ways to amend the constitution.

  1. Congress.
  2. States.

Right.

Sotomayor and Kagen are so non partisan as well as most of the rest of the court.

Are you being factious with this statement?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Seems valid reasons to keep the electoral college as ignorant still applies.

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Sarcasm run amok.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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I wanted to ask your opinion on Roberts. What the hell is his deal? Is he a liberal IYO? I can’t figure him out, especially after the healthcare fiasco, I have been suspicious of him ever since.

He actually evaluates most cases and votes with the constitution in mind. If you read his opinions they clearly show the thought behind the issue. When you look at many others they vote straight party line. He may be considered the swing vote.

The exception was the ACA where he tried to ensure the court was non partisan. His comment " if the people don’t want the ACA they can speak with the vote" which they did to no avail.

So do you consider him a constitutional conservative based on his opinions or more of a moderate leaning one?

Roberts has sided with the right in 87.5 percent of 5–4 decisions.

13 years as chief justice, Roberts has shown his brilliance and often struggles, under increasing criticism from all sides, to balance his loyalty to an institution with his commitment to an ideology.

I suspect he’s a constitutional conservative however he also is trying to keep the court in a non partisan light which moves some decisions more left than he would like.

I hardly consider Newsmax reliable, but ok.

I appreciate you wanting to have open conversations about issues, but some of your other posts make me suspicious. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, as you are being very civil here now.

Yes, i think the electoral college is an outdated, unfair system, but it is honestly not a major concern of mine. I did think the discussion was good though.

Socialist style of governance? If you mean Marxism or North Korean socialism, absolutely not! I guess we would have to get into specifics, but every modern, western government has some “socialist” programs and laws, in varying degrees.

I won’t go snowflake on you! I can take a little criticism. Anyways, im merely a cog, and probably not special. :sweat:
As far as labeling myself… i choose not to. If you want to label me, that is your choice.

As a matter of arguing for one thing or another… I have thoughts and beliefs about politics and the world, but I am not an expert on these things. I will argue my beliefs to the best of my ability and knowledge, but I am not here to convince anyone of what I believe. I’m here to exchange ideas. I have already learned a few things from this site. Hopefully, I will have some relevant ideas or facts to add to the discussion.

I was speaking of a few decades ago, not a few years ago
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You actually reinforced the point i was making, so we agree, i think.

I wont argue against that, although it failed last time. :wink:

Actually the article I cited was “The Last Refuge” that used Newsmax as the source to give an opinion why this was happening. It gives some clear insights about Fox News motives that I tend to agree with. I also provided another video with Laura Logan, who actually was a liberal working the industry who expressed her opinion about the industry being overwhelmingly left.

No I don’t mean extreme, I mean Progressive that is steering to the extreme.

Well its hard to avoid labels, after all, it is the perils of language that identifies such distinctions.

Fair enough! I appreciate your honesty!

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Actually it worked as advertised, prevented tyranny of the majority in the cities.

I would love to watch the video, but dont really have time. Its almost 4 hrs long!

I just dont buy the “slippery slope” argument, if thats what you mean. I think conservatives use this to scare constituents. I don’t think its valid. Universal or single-payer health care does not mean the government will take all your wealth and assets, and redistribute them.

Although i believe that a progressive tax policy is best, i think the devil is in the details. I am in no way proposing an equal distribution of wealth. The capitalist system is the best the world has ever come up with, but it still has its flaws. The shortcomings and weaknesses of capitalism, mainly concentrations of massive power and wealth, should be regulated by government so we dont, effectively, become an oligarchy.

What do you mean @LouMan

I assume you believe that the larger cities act as one unit?

You can skip most of it, but most of the remarks of about MSM are at the beginning!

I disagree! I don’t believe in any of those ideas such as Single payer and yes I do believe that is exactly what it is, a redistribution of wealth. Do you even know what Single payer means? Have you really studied to understand why most conservatives are opposed to it? (See Cuba as a primary example) Single payer is a communist construct and there much evidence to support that statement. I also don’t believe that healthcare is a right, its a service. I believe if the free market mechanism is allowed to operate, health care costs would naturally become cheaper through a fair market competition, but for obvious reasons such as the Insurance and Pharma lobbying efforts they have monopolized the market by pushing out fair competition and gaming the system. (This also is another reason why I believe that money in politics needs to be addressed)

There is no way you will ever convince me that a progressive Tax policy is better than a Flat Tax concept, it is blatant robbery. There are many countries that have this already such as Ireland, Italy, Greece, to name a few that have proven this point. They all failed in their fiscal policies that brought on more debt and had to resort to austerity measures through more taxation. IMO a progressive Tax policy only encourages more taxation not limit it. It also promotes leadership (particular democratic left) to use that as an excuse to fix problems with deficit issue when evidence of New York and California supports this as being the case rather than arriving at better solutions. Its a lazy apathetic approach that Democrats always love to use. Its the Democrats always go to solution (always raise taxes to pay for more entitlements).

As far addressing the weaknesses of Capitalism, addressing the lobbying cartel within all industries of special interest as well as putting into place reforms (or reinstating the “Glass Steagal Act” as an example) would go a long way in correcting the inequities within our system, such as allowing fair competition. Right now as it is, free market is not allowed to operate along the lines of fair competition. This needs to stop, the system is rigged to favor the big corp. This problem will not be fixed by a progressive tax policy when evidence so far has shown that it fails!

No! Just in states like Commiefornia, Illinois, and New York where the concentration of large populations of lefty’s out represent the rural. EC is fair in addressing this problem. All states have a number of EC votes based on population, so looking at the aggregate the EC is fairer than the Popular vote which is prone for more egregious misrepresentations disenfranchising the common voter.