I blocked him, some people are just trolls and too stupid to talk to. Couldn’t tell if he was that dumb or if it was a devils advocate thing… either way, no sense arguing with someone that has no interest in facts.
Not in a perfect world, no. But as I pointed out just there, it’s not a perfect world and we’ll never get (IMO) another constitutional amendment. Yet there’s people determined to move America in one direction or another and with the lack of cooperation, we see things happening in bipolar fashion. The Supreme Court keeps handing down these pathetically partisan 5-4 rulings and congress is doing things incredibly partisan as well, like all democrats voting for ACA, while no republicans did or all republicans voting for Bret Kavanaugh while no democrats did. And then there’s presidents using EO’s to do end runs around partisan congress. That’s just no way to run a country.
Other than blind partisanship there was no reason to vote against Kavanaugh.
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You are largely correct in your analysis.
But to declare that it is only in “a perfect world” that the US Constitution should be applicable (was the world perfect in the late eighteenth century; in the nineteenth century; or in the twentieth century?) seems to me like a “cure” that is, effectively, designed to “work” by killing the patient.
And when the country becomes a bit less polarized–you may notice that I say “when,” and not if–would you really like to try to undo the precedent of our ignoring what the Constitution says about…well, about anything?
Um…that’s not what I said, or certainly not what I intended to mean.
If Americans cared more about one another and accepted that there are differing views but we’re all Americans with an interest in what’s best for ourselves and the country, this may be easier. Instead, there’s zero cooperation, both sides treat each other not merely as having opposing views on how to get there, but as evil, wicked, un American, traitorous. So I look for more hyper partisan legislation and court rulings with presidents increasingly getting what they want via EO’s.
I quoted your words in their entirety; so there should be no misunderstanding in this regard.
The portion about a “perfect world,” however, I will focus upon here:
"Not in a perfect world, no. But as I pointed out just there, it’s not a perfect world and we’ll never get (IMO) another constitutional amendment. " (Bold added)
I really do not think that I misrepresented you…
I don’t believe that you misrepresented me either, just misunderstood.
No we’re not all Americans, somewhere between probably 20&30 million of us are illegal aliens, and about fifty million of us or so are enabling them and opening the gates to millions more.
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Of course, it’s so much easier…
If I did not misrepresent you–and you have admitted that I did not–then what are we arguing about, anyway?
You suggested that I stated only in a perfect world should the constitution be applicable…
But I didn’t say that.
What I did say is that the country is hyper partisan and polarized, More so than I’ve ever witnessed, and both sides are off the rails, presidents are going around congress via EO’s, the Supreme Court is handing down one after another 5/4 rulings, legislation is being passed with only one party support, it’s a complete mess. The constitution is the casualty.
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You suggested that I stated only in a perfect world should the constitution be applicable…
But I didn’t say that.
What I did say is that the country is hyper partisan and polarized, More so than I’ve ever witnessed, and both sides are off the rails, presidents are going around congress via EO’s, the Supreme Court is handing down one after another 5/4 rulings, legislation is being passed with only one party support, it’s a complete mess. The constitution is the casualty.
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Here is precisely what I said:
“Even if the premise is correct, I simply cannot imagine your conclusion.”
And here is what you said:
“Not in a perfect world [should we circumvent the Constitution], no. But as I pointed out just there, it’s not a perfect world and we’ll never get (IMO) another constitutional amendment.”
So, as anyone can plainly see, I am not merely making up things.
These are exact quotations.
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean I’m suggesting that the constitution shouldn’t be adhered to, I’m just pointing out that it’s not being adhered to because we don’t have a perfect world and we have not become that more perfect Union. It’s collapsing, and both sides are to blame. 
That’s exactly what you said.
Well that’s optimistic, hopefully you’re right.