Standards aren’t moral values. One needs to look to the Ten Commandments (Nine Commandments for the Catholic Church) for the basis of morality.
You began suggesting dress standards aren’t moral values and I supplied you evidence to the contrary. Read what I presented to you.
Dress standards are not morals. Just because one person says it is does not make it so. Morals is related to behavior.
To be strict here: morality has to do with actions and omissions. Picking a certain outfit is an action, and can therefore be the target for moral scrutiny. I agree with @montecresto1 in that it also has been (and, in many places, still is) the topic of morality.
Well then, what is the moral sin/law broken by a girl wearing shorts versus floor length skirt?
I do not claim that any moral law is broken in that case. What I believe @montecresto1’s tries to point out is that morality is not a constant. One cannot, per @montecresto1, say “that action is morally correct” when we clearly can see that what we say is morally correct has changed. He exemplified that point with the example of clothing codes, where we used to believe that girls wearing shorts were breaking some moral law. Most of us do not believe that anymore. So - morality is a constantly changing concept.
I agree with the premise that social taboos change over time. My argument is that a set-in-stone foundation of moral values is essential for a good and polite society based on the Exodus 20 commandments. If not then ANY democratically determined set of morals is the standard, i.e. murder of “inferior humans”, pedophilia.
You mocked the notion that dress codes are part of moral standards and I posted examples thereof but you seem to be moving about the board now. Sense you’re always claiming biblical authority for morality I provided you with the Catholic Church’s own writings on the subject in which they lean on, namely “I also want women to dress modestly…”
1Tim 2:9
That is taken out of context. Paul is writing about the conduct that should be observed for Christians, not for anyone else. The Ephesian women were lavishly dressed in expensive clothes and adorned by ■■■■■■ by their servants, not dressed as the common woman.
The Catholic Church has it’s own distinct set of rules, teachings and standards apart from the Bible and Christian doctrine certainly not sola scriptura. So it is difficult to keep track of papal teachings.
And my point from the beginning was that whores in America in the Victorian era covered themselves more in public than Christian women do in their church services today…
Back to what started this all. Your false claim that morality isn’t about modest dress. I’ve proven to you that it in fact is, both in and out of the church. Whether you think the apostle Paul’s admonishment was to women of all the world or just his little flock, he made clear that he wanted them to dress modestly. It’s VERY MUCH a moral issue.
And if you want to go back farther than that in our conversation to my point that morality is subjective and moral standards are ever evolving, just taking a look at the modest way a woman dressed in America in the Victorian age verses now is a fine example. Perhaps the R rated movie watch list that so called Christians view today would be another metric.
What you are failing to understand is this; if morals are fluid as you contend, then there is no moral standard, which is what I have been asserting.
Dress codes and moral standards are not synonymous. Morals are a behavior.
I already proved you wrong on that, why are you still flailing…
What does the morality and dress code comments have to do with this thread???
It’s part of the Falconist platform…
Yeah I am going to disagree with you on that. It’s conflating what is action and what is moral behaviour. Just because the Catholic Church has a dress code does not equate to morality or a moral code, nor does it suggest that it’s dress code as a moral standard for the rest of society just a proper appearance for Catholics only. The point is, there are two sets of moral codes, one for society and the other for the church, whereas there is always a choice.
Let each person decide their own dress code and everyone but out!!!
Fair enough! Now back to the topic!
I don’t really understand what your party is getting at or why you even created it. Are you registered in any states? How many members do you have?
I’m organizing the Hawkist party. One of our tenets will be subsidized prices for women’s tank tops, miniskirts, hot pants and boots. 200% tax on bras and pants suits. Plus sizes excluded.
We want to go back to the golden age of the 1970’s.