Absolutely, the derailment and diversion is rampant on this blog.
Flag goes no where now.
Need to do another walk about for a while as this place sticks of derailments.
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I know! This asshat purposely does this all the time just to be annoying! I really hope the moderators issue a warning to this poster, because quite frankly its getting old already!
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History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery. FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, “Why not let the South go in peace?” To which he replied, “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?” Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves. FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression. Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865. U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn’t free his slaves earlier, Grant stated “Good help is so hard to come by these days.” Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies! Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called “Emancipation Proclamation” of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships. FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation. BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious. These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products made from raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South. This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation. FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war. The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag. The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce. The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy. The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the “Stars & Bars”. FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the “Stars & Bars”. The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the “Southern Cross”.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today. FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that vilify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom. FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it’s commodities. It wasn’t until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator. FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery. FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it’s servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners. FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks. FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South. Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups. FACT - Quite the contrary. These despicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group. FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendants of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
Shabbos goys do everything to hide the crimes of ■■■■ against humanity, the American Civil War included.
Can you please do something about this poster’s incessant need to seek attention here?
You’re such a lightweight crybaby.
Refute me instead by content.
That’s what forums are all about.
No you stupid asshat! If you didn’t have a pattern of this bullshit behavior then we simply would just ignore you. I am not the only one who apparently that has this opinion of you. Now just fk off! We are not interested in discussing with you about your delusional anti ■■■■■■ conspiracy theories, if we were then that is what the threads that you created is for! Stop trying to derail threads created by others. If you are so interested in this subject then create your own fucking thread! Now stop being a fucking retard all the time and take the fucking hint! Otherwise I will continue to flag you until the moderators deal with you.
The goal of the north was to free the slaves.
Absolutely not.
Slavery was only an excuse.
Lincoln abrogated the whole concept of the American Republic (Notice the stress) and its Constitution, which made America a refuge for the persecuted whites.
I wonder what state you grew up in? Minnesota, New York, California, Massachusetts, Michigan, Ohio?
Sounds like you don’t read much and were indoctrinated by the Northern public school system!
This was a war that was brewing for 30+ years leading up to 1861, particularly with South Carolina, and the various Tariffs being imposed and fought against. One such example was the 1828 often referred to as the “Tariff of Abominations” in which The State of South Carolina threatened to secede at the prospects of paying a 40% Tariff. In reaction to President Jackson’s hardline threat to collect such Tariffs, pro business people donated $200,000 dollars to buy arms to stocked the states Armory as they felt threatened by Jackson’s Ultimatum. Considering the magnitude of the situation the prospects of a civil war and SC’s ardent stance, Jackson eventually backed down.(Also consider that Andrew Jackson just finished paying off the national debt, the only US president to do so in history, and was motivated by wanting to build a surplus. Following that was Henry Clay’s Tariff of 1833, and the nullification crisis. Particularly states had practiced regularly Nullification in which when an article such as a law was passed, states exercised this right. (Hence States rights, which Lincoln wanted to get rid of altogether) Then in 1861, several days before Lincolns Presidential Victory, the Morrill Tariff was imposed. At the time, the South were paying close to 13% in Tariffs, and when the bill finally passed that figure went up close to 33% and continued to increase as the war progressed and into post war years in which those Tariffs were elevated to levels close to 50%. One of the things that people don’t realize when speaking about the war and its many complexities, is that there were no federal taxes as we know it today. 90% of revenues to fund the Federal Government was from Tariffs, and because most of the south was an agricultural industry in which relied heavily on exports, were paying a disproportionate of those taxes (almost 80% Tariffs at one time) while the North, who were pro Tariffs, benefited heavily as a result by paying a lot less because the cost could be passed on through their manufacturing distribution. Also another fact that a lot of people are either ignorant of or simply over look in relation to Lincoln, is that he could not have won the presidency without having the support (Particularly Pennsylvania) of the Protectionist Tariffs supporters. In fact when he ran, he ran on the platform of Pro Tariff, because most of the North was for it, because as we come to know politicians corruptible element of getting rich and doing favors for their friends was the same as quid pro quo as we know it today. Also the south were also always outnumbered in the house when it came to representation as the North almost always won the votes, so it was not even close. Want further evidence? When the votes on the Morrill Bill passed, only one vote from the south (Tennessee 9th) voted in favor of it, (the rest voted against it) because Etherridge the representative from Tennessee represented the Hemp growers, a crop not susceptible to the tariff due to its category of its export class. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/36-1/h151 ( Here is the actual voting record. You can clearly see what states voted for it. Particularly look at the southern states, and you will see exactly what I am talking about it wasn’t even close. Also both Jefferson Davis and Lincoln in their respective inaugural speeches just days apart, (which in some accounts were called the dueling inaugural addresses) specifically addressed the Tariff issue in great length. Lincoln assuring not to threaten articles of war, and Davis articulating the right to free commerce. So if this was not an important issue I am not sure the issue of slavery would trump that, when the simple solution would have been legislation outlawing slavery altogether. Ultimately most of the south would have gone along with such legislation because most slaves were owned by rich large southern plantations, while the smaller farms loathed it for they viewed slavery as competition and made their life harder. This also was exacerbated with the invention of the cotton gin where production of cotton grew expediently thus making slavery more in demand. Another factor for Lincoln’s motivation in collecting more Tariffs, was his connection to the railroad industry. Government subsidies (corporate welfare as we know it today was the same then, but 10X worse) were mostly going to build the railroads, something Lincoln intimately knew about and was very well connected to due to him being an attorney for the Transcontinental Railroad years prior to when he became president. Lastly, anybody who is an astute observer of history, and desire to do so without the partisan myopic of biased fever, then looking at the Civil War and studying the economics of it all tells another story. Considering the enormous cost to both sides paid, through a war that saw the most causalities in human history, it is hard to fathom that people were willing to forfeit their lives over a principled issue such as slavery itself. And like most wars in human history, are fought over commerce and not principles alone, although I am sure there are exceptions to this, but it is more the pattern than the exception that this would be true. One can not arrive at conclusions about the causes of the Civil War with out looking and understanding the Economic implications of the times and the political discourse in which sought to influence those economies first. Which in my estimation is the most debated topic while looking at this period in retrospect.