Is it time to abandon our troops AGAIN?

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I HATE the Neo-Conservatives, they support getting us into all these detrimental Perpetual Wars in The Middle East, they also want to start shit with China, it’s incredible how many on The Left support the same positions.

I think a majority of Conservatives are actually against Perpetual Wars, I mean if we literally had a situation where the mainland was under military threat from outside then I would support a defense of our mainland but I see NO reason why we should be fighting these Perpetual Wars tens of thousands of miles away, I see zero of that being in the National Interest.

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Haiti is none of our business, Mexico, El Salvador, Columbia , Ireland, Bulgaria, Albania, but you seem to think we need to take in the poor

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Yes, but there were plenty of war hawks on the left. The damage Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama did to the Middle East is at least equal to Bush’s if not greater.

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Well the British were interfering in other nations even before we started to do it.

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Right. This interference was resource exploitation of countries rich in them but unable to defend them. We followed well in their footsteps….

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I agree 100%, terrible Warmongers.

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Sure, we should maintain a truly defensive posture that nobody could defeat. It’s the offensive wars for resources that stink.

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And as a result we nor the British are actually in any moral position to be dictating what other nations are doing or are not doing.

For one thing, the most in recent memory, what happened in Abu Ghraib, on the orders of the Neo-Conservative War Criminals Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld we were torturing men and women in ways that America obviously learned from The Gestapo Manual, those tortures as were described were the same tortures used by The Gestapo and we have the audacity to suggest that we are on some high moral ground to ANY other nation?

BTW The Gestapo tortures many were actually invented by those who carried out The Inquisition Centuries ago.

We have no moral high ground:

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The problem with the USA going into fake “wars” they continue to half step never really wanting to WIN ! This puts our troops at risk . Remember our “enemies” don’t have their version of the ACLU and the limp wrist whiny liberals and media . The puke John McCain told America about his brutal prolonged torture did it wake up these turds ? Unless you have seen first hand what the enemy does to US troop in combat then you haven’t a clue . Hangings , beheadings , executions , beatings ,the lucky ones were tried and executed . How many bombings of civilians stationed in foreign Countries have we seen ? Our enemies rarely if EVER respect international law or human rights standards , why the fuck should we ? When you see an American soldier tied to a pole with barbed wire and beaten so bad his head is twice the size and he is left to die don’t tell me about how we treat our enemies FUCK THEM .
Second ,what in the fuck is the UN’s job ? I don’t want our troops fighting unless the USA is under attack . Leave China , Russia ,Israel ,and Iran misdeeds to the fucking UN . We are not the policemen of the entire World .

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My eldest brother was killed in Afghanistan, he died for nothing, he was a tall, handsome young man, he came home in pieces in a box, Closed Casket, we couldn’t even say Goodbye to him properly.

He died for ZERO. When Joey Bidet and Co. pulled out of Afghanistan like they did, it took ALL my and my families COLLECTIVE SELF CONTROL to NOT lose it completely, we were so ANGRY and DISPONDENT, we shared this ANGER and DISPONDENCY with thousands of other families.

We should NOT have been in Iraq or Afghanistan, my brother did NOT WANT to go to Afghanistan but it was his DUTY to do that, the alternative was what DESERTION? I will NEVER FORGIVE George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice or Colin Powell for sending my beautiful oldest brother to his POINTLESS YOUNG DEATH and being returned to us in PIECES in a FUCKING CLOSED CASKET.

The HATE I have for THEM is IMPOSSIBLE to put into words. The PAIN, the EMOTIONAL PAIN of losing my beautiful brother in such an HORRIFIC and ultimately POINTLESS way will stay with me forever until I meet him again in The Great Beyond.

I HOPE Rumsfeld and Powell are rotting in HELL.

We should NEVER get involved in The Middle East AGAIN, either we just literally NUKE the entire Middle East OR we should just STAY the fuck OUT of that place.

We certainly should NOT get into a War with either China or Russia or God Forbid BOTH of them.

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It’s imperative to help the ROC against an lnvasion by the PDRC.Geographically, it has an strategic position being less than 900 miles from the Phillipines and close to Okinawa. If occupied , there is a direct threat threat to the shipping lanes and the two countries themself.
Communist China has been open about what its goals are, which is world domination.
The ROC is an independent country never have being part of the mainland, except by occupation after an invasion. Yes, the ROC can defend itself, but the sheer numerical advantage by the Commiecrats will wear them down. Why let their freedoms be destroyed by the Communists.

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Our own freedoms are being destroyed by our Domestic Communists aka The Bidet Regime.

How about we fight for our OWN freedoms FIRST?

Regarding the shipping lanes, thanks to the Bidet Regime our OWN shipping lanes are mega fucked, you should see the amount of ships all lined up in rows off our Coast, don’t know what the Florida situation is like but the ships standing still off our California Coast is literal mindblowing and this is thanks to the Bidet Regime.

We need to get our OWN house in order and restore our OWN freedoms that our Constitution guarantees us.

I’m literally tired of us getting into these ASS BACKWARDS Foreign Adventures, we are SHIT at them, we have NOT had a successful Military Foreign Adventure for more than 70 years:

Korean War - Never Ended, Ceasefire resulting in DMZ.

Vietnam War - Beat The Retreat With Tail Between Legs, TOTAL failure.

Iraq War I - Bombed a few things, left Saddam Hussein in charge.

Iraq War II - False pretences on bullshit lies about WMD also bullshit Propaganda lies that Iraq was involved in September 11, 2001, result daily suicide bombs, tons of troops killed, Quagmire, TOTAL failure.

Afghanistan War - TOTAL TOTAL failure, WORST retreat of our Armed Forces very possibly in HISTORY.

Why the heck do we want to get involved in a War with China considering the above TERRIBLE track record of FAILURE?

How would we do a War with China? By Drone Attacks? Have you seen the SIZE of the population of China? They could raise a 200 million or 300 million man and woman Army if need be. Have you seen the SIZE of China? We would have to put boots on the ground, we do NOT have a big enough Armed Forces for this UNLESS we reintroduce The Draft, that would go down like a lead balloon and any troops on the ground in China would literally be lambs to the slaughter, the Chinese are MORE Patriotic than our Woke Army and they are fanatical unlike our Woke Army.

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War with China? No. If China insists? Okay. Sorry Lucy, I can’t get on board with absolutely NO war with China. It might be inevitable. I hope not… and I agree that we should avoid it at all costs, but it still might happen… only if THEY insist.

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Repost as I fucked up the deleted one:

In essence I agree with your comments, in my heart I dread such a scenario. The Bidet Regime in just 8 months has so weakened this nation on almost all levels that a war with China I fear might be the end.

IF China insists, we could be falling into an abyss.

I comment about my dread because I still hold an optimistic view, that if this nation implodes as is obviously The Agenda to bring America down, from the chaos and ashes Patriots would STILL be able to build America into a NORMAL nation again, perhaps a greatly reduced nation but we would at least have SOMETHING.

Any type of war with China in my opinion would jeopardize the above rebuilding situation.

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As it stands now,Iraq would be better off with Saddam Hussain. Fewer problems with Iran.
Bidet f@#ked up the withdrawal from Afghanistan. I’m sure the families of the deceased service members are not happy with this EMBARRASMENT.
I’m not a warhawk,however, the ROC is a separate country from the mainland whether the Commies like it or not! They have a stable economy and freedom that don’t exist on the mainland. Why not defend this country that is shunnedvby the USELESS NATION and others . Those here on PB IGNORE Communist China’s attempts at intimidation of the ROC because of their style of govt using it as part of their country as an excuse to invade.

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That’s just horrible……:weary:

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Beadencup, damn it man, because of the cost in blood and treasure!!!

You STILL don’t understand the strength of China today!!!

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It is, it’s made me very anti-going to War unless our actual mainland is threatened, I do not want ANY more families going through what we have been through, my Dad was literally suicidal when we lost my older brother, this is a BIG man, 6’4" and a former Marine and he just went to pieces, he has recovered, the pain is still there but I BLAME The GWB Administration for the whole thing, my brother and then nearly losing my Dad because he couldn’t deal with it.

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I don’t think that’s true. People just don’t want to get into a hot war with China, and I can’t believe you’d welcome it.

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Sir Monte, don’t you understand I’m talking about the principle of standing against the sourge of Communism. Do you think Stalin and Mao were leaders of a Renaissance!!!
I’m hoping the.ROC stays a free and independent country without a war being fought with needless casualties on all sides. I’m not standing outside the White House beating a drum for war . I hope a respectable agreement can be made.

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