Iran has been a BAD actor for far too many years taking Americans hostages multiple times 444 days and dems wanted us to apologize and beg . We have endured "death to America " for years and nothing about Iran will change , giving the opportunity to acquire nukes by Iran far more than 120,000 troops will die ! We have a useless UN that suck up our cash and wait for us to fight . Ignoring the past and it will repeat with BAD ACTORS !!!
Then we should allow them to continue to be relatively harmless bad actors until their population finally works up the nerve to overthrow their government.
What is it with you people???
President Donald Trump on Tuesday denied a report that his administration was considering sending up to 120,000 troops to the Middle East to respond to Iran
Got it, the left there panties over a non event but as long as itâs negative and involves Trump they scream in joy at the opportunity to trash the president.
Did you cream over Obamaâs involvement in the over throw of the Libyan government, not a peep. Did you scream when they killed head of the embassy in Libya? You slept through it as a non vent. Did you wet your pants over the bombing in Syria putting pilots and advisors at risk in Syria? Not a peep.
I call hypocrite.
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You made his day.
Libs wear that like a badge of courage.
Iâm sick and tired of the so called people of left lining up to criticize Trump doing exactly what Obama did, Bush did, Clinton did.
They are the most reprehensible people to inhabit this country.
And itâs a fake story.
President Donald Trump on Tuesday denied a report that his administration was considering sending up to 120,000 troops to the Middle East to respond to Iran
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The âchildren in cagesâ is still a thing. And yet⌠it was Obama.
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Considering you have no idea of my positions please refrain from making assumptions. I was very critical and disappointed in Obamas attempts to show himself as a tough no nonsense President. But he is no longer President so nothing I can do about the past.
And if the report is false, thats great end of discussion.
Though if we are going to send any military to the middle east I trust you will be there leading from the front and not being a tough guy from behind your monitor.
Good luck, successors.
But but⌠OBAMA!!!111
I know darn well from the last board that some of you were Never Trumpers. Now the Never Trumpers seem to be supportive of Trump. Thatâs a good thing from my perspective but I donât think people who are recent supporters should discount the fact that many original supporters find the direction that Trump is going to be different than what he campaigned on. Iâm willing to trust the plan but I thought the Iraq war was bullshit just like TrumpâŚnow he has one of the key players in that debacleâŚwhich did cost THOUSANDS of American livesâŚleading the charge on both Venezuela and Iran. Iâm sorry but I donât find the lives of our young men to be expendable because of some swamp creature wanting to start wars.
I already did my time in the service and did my war. Did you?
We should never go to war without the military running the war, something that hasnât been done since WW2.
Why was Korea a failure: Truman.
Why was Vietnam a failure: Johnson, Nixon.
What was Iraq a failure: Bush, Obama.
Why is Afghanistan a failure: Bush, Obama, Trump.
When you go to war there should be objectives, a start and stop when you hit the objectives.
I suspect you have served your country in the military.
As a side note, do you think Iran would really risk a conflict with Israel or the US? Both would leave their country in ruins, a nuclear conflict would leave Iran a parking lot.
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But, but Trump.
The Iraq war decision was interesting at the time and the premise for war proved to be totally wrong.
The main driver ignored by many is the CIA/intelligence communities wrong information and incorrect assessment of Iraqâs abilities.
Key Judgments
Iraqâs Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs
Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.
Baghdad hides large portions of Iraqâs WMD efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information.
Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.
- Iraqâs growing ability to sell oil illicitly increases Baghdadâs capabilities to finance WMD programs; annual earnings in cash and goods have more than quadrupled.
- Iraq largely has rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities damaged during Operation Desert Fox and has expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production.
- Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.
- Although Saddam probably does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them.
How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on when it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.
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If Baghdad acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year.
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Without such material from abroad, Iraq probably would not be able to make a weapon until the last half of the decade.
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Iraqâs aggressive attempts to obtain proscribed high-strength aluminum tubes are of significant concern. All intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons and that these tubes could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program. Most intelligence specialists assess this to be the intended use, but some believe that these tubes are probably intended for conventional weapons programs.
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Based on tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire, a few tens of thousands of centrifuges would be capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium for a couple of weapons per year.
Baghdad has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX . Its capability was reduced during the UNSCOM inspections and is probably more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war, although VX production and agent storage life probably have been improved.
- Saddam probably has stocked a few hundred metric tons of CW agents.
- The Iraqis have experience in manufacturing CW bombs, artillery rockets, and projectiles, and probably possess CW bulk fills for SRBM warheads, including for a limited number of covertly stored, extended-range Scuds.
All key aspectsâR&D, production, and weaponizationâof Iraqâs offensive BW program are active and most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf wa r.
- Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery by bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives, including potentially against the US Homeland.
- Baghdad has established a large-scale, redundant, and concealed BW agent production capability, which includes mobile facilities; these facilities can evade detection, are highly survivable, and can exceed the production rates Iraq had prior to the Gulf war.
Iraq maintains a small missile force and several development programs, including for a UAV that most analysts believe probably is intended to deliver biological warfare agents.
- Gaps in Iraqi accounting to UNSCOM suggest that Saddam retains a covert force of up to a few dozen Scud-variant SRBMs with ranges of 650 to 900 km.
- Iraq is deploying its new al-Samoud and Ababil-100 SRBMs, which are capable of flying beyond the UN-authorized 150-km range limit.
- Baghdadâs UAVsâespecially if used for delivery of chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agentsâcould threaten Iraqâs neighbors, US forces in the Persian Gulf, and the United States if brought close to, or into, the US Homeland.
- Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities.
How do we expect our government to come up with good decision when they are provided with totally trash advice?
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YesâŚby all means letâs not bring up Obama. That might upset the apple cart of Trump-haterism.
Nobody here seems to want a war. I certainly donâtâŚI lost several friends to the Vietnam war in which our Presidents played games.
President Trump doesnât want a war. If one comes, he will do the same as he did with ISISâŚlet the experts handle it. That is precisely why we wiped out all but a tiny bit of their caliphate in a short while.
If we are forced into one (by way of attack), it wonât last long under President Trump.
Exactly! The liberal useful idiots are parroting each other claiming that Trump wants a conflict.
President Trump changed the tactics when he took over as CiC. He delegated a lot more authority to the field Commanders.
Iran is aware of this. The pussy Obama is not at the helm now.
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Our military is an all voluntary military.
Itâs really none of your business if a person wants to fight and risk their life in our military.
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SoâŚwhat youâre saying is itâs none of our business if people in the military needlessly get killed in a war that does nothing to advance American interests? Nice. Thatâs how little you give a fuck about your fellow countrymen? I really hope I am misunderstanding you here. If I am misunderstanding you my apologies.
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Thatâs more excuse-making for Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Number 1, Rumsfeld crafted his intelligence in the DOD to get the song he wanted to hear, from dirtbags like Ahmed Chalabi. Number 2, invading Iraq and trying to civilize those savages would have made no sense even if Saddam had a mountain of WMDs. Kill and destroy? OK. Stay there forever trying to civilize them? Insanity.
The only rationale for invading Iraq that makes sense to me is that they thought they could waltz in, make an example of Saddam, install a puppet (I think that they dreamed it would be Chalabi) and intimidate Iran and Syria into behaving, out of fear of our superior resources and strategy. Alas, Chalabi was a scam artist and he made chumps out of dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld and ultimately all of America who were left holding a burning sack of shit in our laps.
As far as Iran goes - same sack of shit. Kill and destroy is fine, if they attack us. Trying to invade and create a democracy? Insanity. Invading and trying to plunder their oil would be defensible, if we needed their oil, but we donât.
Apparently you didnât read the CIAâs report that they based their decisions on.
But then again, people ignore facts for their personal beliefs.
Key Judgments
Iraqâs Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs
Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.
Baghdad hides large portions of Iraqâs WMD efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information.
Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.
- Iraqâs growing ability to sell oil illicitly increases Baghdadâs capabilities to finance WMD programs; annual earnings in cash and goods have more than quadrupled.
- Iraq largely has rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities damaged during Operation Desert Fox and has expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production.
- Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.
- Although Saddam probably does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them.
How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on when it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.
- If Baghdad acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year.
- Without such material from abroad, Iraq probably would not be able to make a weapon until the last half of the decade.
- Iraqâs aggressive attempts to obtain proscribed high-strength aluminum tubes are of significant concern. All intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons and that these tubes could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program. Most intelligence specialists assess this to be the intended use, but some believe that these tubes are probably intended for conventional weapons programs.
- Based on tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire, a few tens of thousands of centrifuges would be capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium for a couple of weapons per year.
Baghdad has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX . Its capability was reduced during the UNSCOM inspections and is probably more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war, although VX production and agent storage life probably have been improved.
- Saddam probably has stocked a few hundred metric tons of CW agents.
- The Iraqis have experience in manufacturing CW bombs, artillery rockets, and projectiles, and probably possess CW bulk fills for SRBM warheads, including for a limited number of covertly stored, extended-range Scuds.
All key aspectsâR&D, production, and weaponizationâof Iraqâs offensive BW program are active and most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf wa r.
- Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery by bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives, including potentially against the US Homeland.
- Baghdad has established a large-scale, redundant, and concealed BW agent production capability, which includes mobile facilities; these facilities can evade detection, are highly survivable, and can exceed the production rates Iraq had prior to the Gulf war.
Iraq maintains a small missile force and several development programs, including for a UAV that most analysts believe probably is intended to deliver biological warfare agents.
- Gaps in Iraqi accounting to UNSCOM suggest that Saddam retains a covert force of up to a few dozen Scud-variant SRBMs with ranges of 650 to 900 km.
- Iraq is deploying its new al-Samoud and Ababil-100 SRBMs, which are capable of flying beyond the UN-authorized 150-km range limit.
- Baghdadâs UAVsâespecially if used for delivery of chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agentsâcould threaten Iraqâs neighbors, US forces in the Persian Gulf, and the United States if brought close to, or into, the US Homeland.
- Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities.
I think maybe youâre both misinterpreting each other. I do not infer that you meant to say that soldiers start the wars. They only follow orders.
Itâs leaders (and Congress) that starts wars for us. However, if we are attacked, the field commanders can strike back within the rules of engagement.
âŚand just because someone volunteers for military service does not mean they want a war to start. People join for different reasons. I think very few of them have a death wish.