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The Republican Party was against slavery when it started. It was against slavery and in favor of civil rights in 1960.

The Democrat Party has fought against civil rights ever since slavery ended. The Democrat Party founded the KKK. The Democrat Party was against civil rights until it realized that votes could be had in exchange for trinkets and feigned support. The Democrat Party destroyed the family values of black communities by increasing welfare payments to fatherless families. The Democrat Party produced and maintains the failed liberal cities that are rife with black gangs and black on black crimes. The Democrat Party started Planned Parenthood with intent of reducing the number of black babies born. The Democrat Party is today chock full of self righteous socialist/Marxist/communist/anarchist assholes.

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When it started? Buddy, the Republican party wasn’t even a thing when slavery started. Hell, it wasn’t a thing when the colonies were formed, let alone when the Constitution was ratified. Many of the Founders themselves were slave owners. Hate to break it to you.

As for Lincoln himself, you won’t find a bigger hypocrite when it comes to the Constitution.

Sound familiar? It should. Think back to the 2016 election and the threats being thrown around “if Trump won.”

Do you need more examples? How about allowing Northern soldiers to quarter themselves in Southern homes during the civil war? An act that was expressly forbidden under the Third and Fourth Amendments. Did the Constitution no longer apply during the civil war? Wasn’t the point of the Civil War to bring the South back into the fold?

Where else have we heard about majority rule? Who’s trying to do away with the electoral college right now? (Another institution built by the Founders that almost never functioned as intended.)

How about suspending habeus corpus? A violation of the fifth and sixth Amendments?

How about declaring war on the South, a power expressly given to Congress under the Constitution and not the President? Yet it wasn’t Congress who ordered the miltary to blockade trade ports in the South. It was Lincoln.

Since Lincoln also did not recognize the Confederacy as its own nation, some also say Lincoln committed treason by declaring war against his own country. Also keep in mind again that secession from the Union was something the Framers had discussed at great length and was ALLOWED under the Articles of Confederation.

The South wanted to secede from the North because the Central Government reneged on the promise they made when the Constitution was ratified. They only went further on reneging on that promise when Lincoln started the “Civil War.” The truth is, the Central government should have been dismantled right then and there because they were no longer following the Constitution and were not holding Lincoln accountable for violating his oath of office. When you break a contract you’ve written anywhere else, that contract is no longer enforceable. Yet for some reason, here the government formed under the Constitution is still a thing, even though they haven’t been following their own contract for quite some time.

Again, nothing out of the ordinary for a big government Republican of 1860, who more resembled a Democrat today than a Republican. But what do I know?

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Strange. I thought that was exactly the case I was making. What part are you having a problem with?

you were talking about the republican party during the 1960’s not being for civil rights and not the party of lincoln.

You didn’t mention today’s republican party.

If you would have said today’s republican party of Trump, Bush’s 41 and 43, I would agree with you.

You have it backwards actually. The party of Lincoln in 1860 was not about civil rights or freeing slaves. The real reason for the 13th amendment was to destroy the economy of the South once and for all. End of story.

Where did I say the party of lincoln was about civil rights or freeing slaves?

This was your post from above and I agreed with it

What I did not agree with you about was

  1. the republicans didn’t care about civil rights
  2. the republican switched places with the Democrats

What I said was the republicans cared more about civil right than the Democrats.

The Democrats never cared about Civil rights for blacks until they figured out that its better to have them on their side, and the republicans up to Ronald Reagan did not abandon the civil rights fight they did what they could which was a hell of lot more than Democrats, they switched their focus to fighting Communism.

Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford and Reagan, well not Ford as he was a lame duck President trying to clean up messes from Nixon.

The Bush’s Republicans are country club big government types and the jury is still out on Trump

Democrat and Republican are parties… not ideologies. To find out who supported what you should look at who is conservative and who is liberal. That will tell you more about civil rights movement than party affiliation.

Lincoln was a Republican in 1860. Hence my statement that the ‘party of Lincoln’ was not about freeing slaves or civil rights.

And I never said anything about Democrats caring about slaves either. The parties did switch places though. The big government Republicans of 1860 became the big government Democrats of 1960 while the small government Dixiecrats of 1860 became the small government Republicans of 1960.

Back then, it was all about what politics are about today. Gaining and keeping power. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

No, Lincoln was a northern Whig who joined the newly formed “republican” party

you keep saying that and that is wrong, the parties did not switch places , they switched tactics.
the democrats were split but somewhat stayed together, Jackson’s democrats are not the same as Woodrow wilson and FDR democrats, Truman’s democrats differs from the LBJ Democrats.

But the Democrats in Congress although divided by geography wasnt a fan of civil rights.

So to say that big government Republicans of Ulysses Grant is the same as the 60’s democrats shows you have no grasp of history

Where did I say that? I like to pick nits with the best of them, but you seem to keep getting hung up on “switched places.”

I am hung up on switching places because its a false narrative

Well sure, if you say so.

I dont say so, reality says so.

give us some evidence that the republicans and democrats switched places.

This forum is quickly becoming as bad as the BNN.