Basic Rights in the US

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Pragmatic

@Call_me_Ishmael

Regarding roads…
You should read this. It was national security that justified federal funding.

U.S. Senate: Congress Approves the Federal-Aid Highway Act

Please tell your handlers to find libs that have some knowledge of American history to send here to post under the name of “Pragmatic”

Thanks. How does this contradict anything I said? Before you try being witty, you should really explain yourself better.

You - or the earlier Pragmatic troll that was here before you - said this

@Pragmatic

All freeway/interstate infrastructure is for individual welfare.

But he was wrong. It was national defense.

[max-webster]

and profit drives innovations, solutions which is good for the consumer in the end.

The eye care industry is an example for profit in healthcare, 25 years ago if you got laser correction surgery you paid an arm and a leg and if you were a season ticket holder in Dallas for the Cowboys you sold them

Today the surgery is cheap, fast, you’re in and out within a hour or two, day surgery, is this an isolated case where the private sector in eye car works?

Or maybe if you allowed the free markets to do its thing healthcare costs would go down .

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Samson_Corwell

@SneakySFDude

It belongs to the intellect. Or whoever paid him to think.

I mean what views do you have for each type? Do you support database rights? They only exist in Europe. What mask works? They’re neither patents nor copyrights, but they have some of the characteristics of both. Patents on genetic sequences and organisms. I support abolishing them where they exist and obstructing their creation where they don’t exist.

There are “trade secrets” that are protected as well. Maybe you are thinking about them.

A trade secret is a formula, practice, process, design, instrument, pattern, commercial method, or compilation of information not generally known or reasonably ascertainable by others by which a business can obtain an economic advantage over competitors or customers

In contrast to registered intellectual property, trade secrets are, by definition, not disclosed to the world at large. Instead, owners of trade secrets seek to protect trade secret information from competitors by instituting special procedures for handling it, as well as technological and legal security measures.[6] Legal protections include non-disclosure agreements (NDAs), and work-for-hire and non-compete clauses.

Trade secret

Google… friend…remember?

[Samson_Corwell]

@Texashusker

You’re incorrect. Public roads are a public benefit, not a personal benefit. A personal benefit is something that applies to the individual. Infrastructure isn’t the same.

Is the distinction tenable without certain normative assumptions?

[SneakySFDude]

No they wouldn’t…

[SneakySFDude]

@Pragmatic

I don’t think everyone should contribute evenly. It should be progressive just like our tax system.

So everyone won’t use evenly?

[SneakySFDude]

@Texashusker

but I’ve never heard a single politician suggest that.

And you won’t because it won’t work.

[SneakySFDude]

@Pragmatic

When your primary goal is to make a profit you tend lose empathy for the person.

Who has better customer service, McDonald’s or the DMV?

[Samm]

@Samson_Corwell

There shouldn’t be anything shocking or funny about not liking incentivizing innovation or any other social welfare metric as a reason to support/oppose policy.

You are right, it shouldn’t be, but the way you put it was funny. You essentially said ‘I like the ones that I like and I don’t like the ones that I don’t like.’ Duh!

[Samm]

@Pragmatic

Healthcare would not be free. Everyone would have to contribute.

What do you pay for your other rights? If you don’t pay, does it mean that your rights are suspended?

What a great way to pay off the National Debt.

[Pragmatic]

@SneakySFDude

Who has better customer service, McDonald’s or the DMV?

2 different industries. Specific to local operation. I’ve seen some DMVs work very well and some like shit. Same with McDonalds.

[Samm]

@Pragmatic

All freeway/interstate infrastructure is for individual welfare.

That is unmitigated nonsense. There is no resemblance between funding of the Interstate Highway system and the Federal Social programs.

The Interstate Highway System serves two purposes … National Defense and Interstate Commerce, both of which are Constitutional designated powers of the Federal Government.

[Pragmatic]

@SneakySFDude

So everyone won’t use evenly?

No of course not. Some people might never use it until their on their death bed. Some will use it as a newborn and for the remainder of their life.

Isn’t that how insurance works? Young and strong pay for the weak and old?

[Samm]

@Pragmatic

I didn’t say all roads are funded by the feds, interstates are, some freeways, some local roads. Either way it is a personal benefit to me to have interstates and it is publicly funded.

Again … personal benefit does not equate to welfare.

[Pragmatic]

@max-webster

and profit drives innovations, solutions which is good for the consumer in the end.

The eye care industry is an example for profit in healthcare, 25 years ago if you got laser correction surgery you paid an arm and a leg and if you were a season ticket holder in Dallas for the Cowboys you sold them

Today the surgery is cheap, fast, you’re in and out within a hour or two, day surgery, is this an isolated case where the private sector in eye car works?

Or maybe if you allowed the free markets to do its thing healthcare costs would go down .

What you described is not the insurance system. It’s the health care provider system. I specifically said insurance for a reason.

[Pragmatic]

@Samm

The Interstate Highway System serves two purposes … National Defense and Interstate Commerce, both of which are Constitutional designated powers of the Federal Government.

It may have originally been built to serve those purposes… and today it still does. It doesn’t make it any less of a benefit to me as an individual.

[max-webster]

@Pragmatic

What you described is not the insurance system. It’s the health care provider system. I specifically said insurance for a reason.

Healthcare is more than just "insurance"system

you do know that right?

[Pragmatic]

@max-webster

Healthcare is more than just "insurance"system

you do know that right?

Of course but my issue is with healthcare INSURANCE being for profit. Which is why I am advocating for M4A.

[DMK]

Doesn’t matter, Max.

Free is the new word. People our age had to and still have to work our asses off because we know the vast difference between what “free” and “freedom of choice” is.

These people who want “free” think it is the same thing mommy and daddy gave them with all of the bells and whistles. Little do they realize that they will be treated no differently than a schizophrenic, drug addicted homeless person. Then they are going to cry foul, work their ass off for freedom of choice vs. free and be back at square one thinking… gosh… someone warned me about this.

[LouMan]

@max-webster

Medicare for those who are 65 and older is a joke and as Texas husker pointed out , it drives up the costs.

And doctors are reluctant to take medicare patients due to low payouts from mommy government.